paul wheaton wrote:why would you eat a pig and not a person?
Peta Schroder wrote:Also because I can grow my own vegetables I want to eat vegetables - that way I know what's in them. I live in a small house in a residential suburb so I can't have livestock.
How can we eat enough animal meat and fats to keep us healthy, while living like a peasant on our own plots? That's my dilemma. I want to eat more of what is good for me, yet here I am with all of these vegetables!
they have an entire list of diseases and deficiencies that are reserved only to vegetarians and vegans
paul wheaton wrote:And then he did some math and exploration of a vegetarian diet eating conventional (non-organic) food. Just for the pesticides sprayed on wheat, millions of birds are killed. The author makes an issue of the number of lives taken by pesticides alone, that a vegetarian kills more animals than an omnivore.
So then you go to organic. The author spends a lot of time in the book exploring organic factory farms. Tilling is done far more often to fight weeds. Tilling kills all sorts of little furry creatures in the soil. Based on the tilling alone, the organic omnivore kills fewer animals than the organic vegetarian.
Don’t get me wrong, I like folks who eat vegan diets because at least they care enough to want to do less harm, but most of their food is heavily processed, most is from unknown origin, and a large portion of the calories vegans consume are soy based. And growing soybeans in a way that minimizes suffering is tough. Most, I would say 99.9% of soy beans grown, are grown in a monoculture, and they rely on outside inputs for fertilizer, and unless they are organic they rely on lots of toxic chemicals to be sprayed on for insecticides, fungicides, herbicides… more and more they’re GMO in the seed. So it’s all kinds of bad. If you’re eating stuff that contains palm oil grown in once-rainforests or anything with corn or soy beans, anything that’s grown in the absence of a functioning ecosystem by industrial farmers…to me, the misery is just more spread out.
I mean, I grew up with cows, and I love cows more than most people I know, but why is their right to live more than the right for a whippoorwill to live or a snake to live or a mouse to live? Why is it that their rights trump the thousands of species that die in monocropped, industrial agricultural fields every year? Why does it trump all the species that have damn near gone extinct, or have gone extinct, since industrial agriculture has plowed up millions and millions and millions of acres of prairie in this country and destroyed their habit? Why do their rights not exist?
There is no magic bullet. There is no one way to eat that is going to be devoid of guilt or devoid of suffering. There is no way to exist in this world without taking the life of other beings. And that complex truth was missing for me, and it’s still missing for a lot of people… They just go to this magical place called the supermarket, and these magical trucks come in the middle of the night, and magical ferries put all this stuff on eye level shelves, where you just go in there and give this magical money to somebody, and they give you all the things you need to survive. Well, that’s all really convenient, but it’s really disconnecting. And as long as you’re doing that, you can believe this myth that you can eat and survive without doing any harm to anybody else. That myth was shattered when I read that book. [The Omnivore's Dilemma]
Ann Sessoms wrote:I may be misunderstanding the point. If that is the case, please excuse me for jumping to conclusions.
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