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 Summary
 
 Paul calls up some of his usual suspects from his patreons (Katie, Kyle, and Mark) for the latest iteration of the permaculture smackdown, with a more hard-hitting focus on renewable power sources.
 
 A few quick notes before getting into the smackdown proper – 1: Due to the permaculture playing cards basically reaching end-of-life status, the price for the remaining decks is increasing.  2: the mobile version of Permies is getting a major overhaul.  3: The SKIP book is currently in layout and being shipped around to printers to get quotes for actually printing it.
 
 The average US carbon footprint is about 30 tonnes, with an even split between direct and indirect emissions.  For an average resident of Montana, switching from electric heaters to a Rocket Mass Heater cuts their footprint by as much as taking 7 conventional cars off the road, or 29 tonnes.  Reducing your carbon footprint from electric consumption is more difficult.  Simply using less sounds like a plan, but implementing it on a wide scale is simply impossible without a massive shift in consumer mindset.  This means that energy consumption is continuously going to go up, production has to keep pace.  So what sort of power generation should the planning department build?  Renewable, obviously.  But solar and wind don’t work 24/7, so what should be built to supplement them?  Hydro is an obvious answer, but it has a myriad of issues of its own, like silt building up behind them so much that they no longer work and preventing fish from passing, potentially killing off entire ecosystems.  Ask someone on the street and chances are they’ll suggest large-scale batteries, but those demand huge amounts of toxic materials to work, so it seems that there’s no slam dunk solution and all ways forward will require some form of either sacrifice or gick and, knowing humanity, it’ll involve gick to some extent or another.
 
 
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