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Our community needs your help to keep the lights on.

Permies is a massive, free resource for the permaculture and homesteading community. Providing a safe and supportive space for people to connect, share knowledge and find the help they need.

But our aging server is struggling to keep up with the growing demand and we're at risk of going offline. To ensure our forums remain accessible and reliable for everyone, we need to purchase a new server.

With your support we can upgrade our infrastructure and ensure permies continues to thrive for years to come.

When you contribute to this fundraiser you're not just helping us replace the server - you're investing in the wellbeing of our entire community. Every dollar you give means more people can access the resources, advice, and friendship that have made permies so valuable. Together we can keep this community alive and kicking.

Give now to power the permies forums and strengthen our community. Your support makes all the difference!

Thank you for being a vital part of our community and for your generosity in supporting permies!

Here are the two options we're looking at:

Good, but not very upgradeable:
$4800
$4,468.57 for the server
~$144 in processing fees
~$187.43 in unforseen comedies

Excellent and very upgradable:
$8,795.99 for the server
~$312 in processing fees
~880 in taxes
~200 in shipping
~$212.01 in unforseen comedies

total: $10,400


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The only reason I bought PIE was to contribute to the internet, and server costs. I'd appreciate some financial transparency in where the money goes. Maybe a public pie graph once a year in one of the private forums of property taxes, wages, internet, and such? $1,000
culture to be permanent, homesteaders to the fore, bring life and joy, salvation and harmony $310
If Permies goes down, where will I post my BBs?? #ForOtis $305
(anonymous user) $200
#5, stay alive (need more input?) $200
hey look - 420! sorry I had to when I saw it. $150
what if the robots doing captchas are just looking for their family? $150
I love you all! Here's some help! $150
My favourite server is the one that serves PIE with fresh cream. Count me in. $150
Late to the party... My humble donation for new permies server $108
We can?t work without a server. Hope you get enough $100
I'm so grateful for Permies! $100
(anonymous user) $100
If you would have accepted my MacPlus donation when I first joined, the system still would be rock solid! :-) $100
Nothing is over until we say it is! $100
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keep up the good work! $100
Fl permie $100
Good luck! $100
Though I've not really been part of the community for a while, this is still a worthy cause. $100
Tina Wolf $100
Go forth and prosper :) $100
Need you to keep going! $100
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I like the comedies add on? $100
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? Way better investment return than most stocks?? $100
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The whole world needs permies.com Not everyone knows it yet $100
Happy to help support such a valuable resource $100
Helping to make Permies permanent $100
As long as the server wears a tuxedo, I'm in! $100
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I?m busy infecting minds in VA! $100
Thank you for teaching us how to hold up the sky, both together, and alone. $100
Love and Pie from Ash and Arthur $100
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(anonymous user) $100
Keep the Love Alive $100
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I appreciate what you are doing for permaculture! $100
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keep going lemme know if you want any db help/expertise - cheers! $100
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Just in case, for a rainy day, bit of a cushion...and because I can't live without Permies $100
(anonymous user) $100
Let's keep permies online! $75
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I hope this helps. Thanks for all you do. $50
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Happy to help, keep up the good work! $50
Gotta feed the hamsters! $50
There's always something! $50
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Hoping this helps. $50
Folks all around the world read the forums for free-including me. Now it is time to give to keep Permies.com going! $50
(anonymous user) $50
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May you permies be with us. Always $50
thanks for keeping the dream alive. we can be nice to each other and garden $50
The same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. $50
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I love being able to search any topic and see what other Permies have done. $50
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Permies forever! $50
permies feeds my soul $50
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Keep the lights on! ElCocoLoco $50
Heimdall, Hugin and Munin $50
Permies is a friendly place and makes me feel not so alone in my values and interests, up here in Ontario, Canada. I love hearing about other people's experiences, including the kooky stuff that happens. It pretty much IS a community, which is a marvel to find. Be well everyone, and a huge thank you, respect and honour to the folks that run Permies forum and the property, as you make a real real difference in the lives of so many people. I still have to find the donate button, after I submit this post. $50
Wannabe farmer seeks mud and blood! $49
Thanks yall for what you do. $40
Viper's bugloss is a cool plant. $35
A little help to keep Permies growing! $35
(anonymous user) $35
PERMIES FOREVER $30
If anything on the internet is worth supporting, it's Permies! $30
Permaculture robots should be built on RC car chassis, not tractors. $30
esto no puede parar $30
This meager amount brings you over the top. Thank you to all that make Permies possible! $30
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Only $137 left to goal, wahoo! $30
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(anonymous user) $30
Thank you for the expansive forums from which glean endless fruitful tidbits!! $28
I read your posts most every day, and wish I could give more in every way, but I hope we all will stepup and pay for a new server cause you need ir RIGHT AWAY! :) $27
(anonymous user) $27
Love from VT $27
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All hail the serverbot overlords! $25
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Thank you for this great site! $25
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Love y?all & grateful for all the great info shared $25
(anonymous user) $25
Hope you can get an excellent and very upgradeable server! $25
Thank you for being you $25
Wubbalubbadubdub $25
A very small price to pay for all the great, free, permies content. $25
(anonymous user) $25
Take this, and with it share more. $25
(anonymous user) $25
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Deep breathe, Paul to git yer stress down and let's get er done! Best to all. $25
(anonymous user) $25
Keep changing the world every day with Permies! $25
Let?s keep it going! $25
"You gotta give!!" - Tim Robinson $25
(anonymous user) $25
still need to download all the content I bought! $25
(anonymous user) $25
Permies helps us all. Forums galore to explore. Thank you for it all. $25
Go Permies! $25
Just a small bit to help $25
Worthwhile $25
(anonymous user) $25
Love you! $25
make it awesomer, my garden thanks you $25
(anonymous user) $25
So grateful for Permies and the people here. $25
So good to know permies is there, solid as a rock, even if I'm fading in and out - thank you so much for all you do! $22
permbot gpt $21
Thank you everyone! $21
(anonymous user) $21
Let's go! $20
Helping to keep the lights on. $20
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This site is invaluable to me! $20
Keep up the good work $20
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Gotta keep Permies going! $20
(anonymous user) $20
Wish it could be more. $20
Because ? shit happens $20
Servers Rule! $20
(anonymous user) $20
PDC graduate in 2021. Converting my ranch to permaculture step by step in California's High Mojave Desert. I give tours here to show permaculture in action. I also give permaculture talks to garden groups. $20
Rudy Valvano $20
This is the way $20
maybe it's time to switch to a peer-to-peer app -- that feels very permie to me :) $20
just keep swimmin $20
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In servertude... $20
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Fuck hidden fees, after-the-fact taxes, and other comedic nonsense!!! $20
We're a community - I need you guys! Thanks for doing to hard work of keeping things going $20
Thank you for your work in the world $20
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Go go gadget bonus! $20
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Just to support that better world! (in a modest way) $11
thanks permies! $10
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I don?t use Permies much these days, but neither can I say goodbye. Not much of a donation, but I guess every little bit helps, right? $10
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Old Guy $10
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I like this Gift Economy stuff $10
I hope to someday have a garden or land which I can use this info in the future. I am investing here in that future! $10
(anonymous user) $10
I wish I could give more but squeaky right now. From one of your MAGA not quite totally permie but love the forum anyway! $10
(anonymous user) $10
Keep on keepin' on, permie people! $10
(anonymous user) $10
Permies today, Permies forever!! $10
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Make it so! $10
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I'll shill the noodles out of this if you accept Bitcoin Cash (BCH) contributions $10
Here's to World Domination! $10
thank you $10
(anonymous user) $10
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Thanks, Paul & Co., for all you do. Thanks especially for creating this site where so many fantastic, creative minds share their knowledge and inspiration, and humor!, so we can change the world one garden at a time. Long live the new and mighty server! $10
Every little bit helps, right? $10
May the force be with us! $10
Old druid. New Server. Cosmic Balance. $10
for the support and encouragement on my RMH project $10
(anonymous user) $10
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Thanks and best wishes! $10
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Thank you! $10
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Thanks permies! $7
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Little Forest Garden, Jamestown IN $5
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A.N.D Ecovillage $5
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Definitely a worthy cause! Sending well wishes for a smooth transition. $5
I support this website and love it so much that I'm giving my last $5 that could go towards some food scraps instead of this. But I believe in this website so I'm going to give everything I have to try to help keep it alive. $5
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my little towards plenty with loads of love $5
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Keep up the good stuff! $3
Not much but something. It all adds up. $3
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I would like to thank our hosts.  I have gotten hosting at many places, only for things to go sideways for one reason or another.  When we hit a bump in the road with evolution hosting, we get a human that gets on it and gets it sorted.  They always make things right.  I have been getting hosting from them for 23 years now!


https://evolutionhosting.com/  "Reliable Java Hosting ...  Instantly"


 
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Some bits of info:

Our current server is 11 years old.  We last upgraded it about two months ago.  And then we noticed a problem and said "we need to upgrade again!" and that's when we found out that we had maxed out on that part.  Uh oh.

Devaka then volunteered to make this fun interface.  He volunteered yesterday and had it done today!

Liv volunteered to make this page, and she was the first to test devaka's new interface - it works!

So here we go!
 
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I don't know how often you check your P.O. box, about this time next week I hope you'll find a gift waiting for you, use it for the server thingy.


Peace


I'm sorry, use most of the gift for the new server, please buy Gir some bacon with the rest of it!!!
 
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The website Permies contains a vast wealth of knowledge that has grown and expanded over the years.

It is available for anyone to access as well as interact with other real life people in order to learn more about permaculture. I appreciate being able to hold conversations with people who are really on the cutting edge of new approaches and advancements in more natural living.

Shoutout to Paul, appreciate what you have created and continue to maintain. I'm confident we will reach the goal!
 
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I will definitely support this. Permies is such a good place to be, as "old fashioned" as it seems.

Other places on the internet one can post questions and get all sort of answers from folks that don't know anything about the subject. And not just that, but when I try to find something, including my own posts, it's impossible. All they really want is to sell me stuff!

Here on these forums things are perennial. I can find the information I am looking for that was maybe written years ago. Learning from other people's experiences and successes and failures is a great way to go. All the while I am learning, and maybe sharing, from my own successes and failures. And if I share all those failures here, I know I won't be bullied or looked down at.

And I can always ask questions here, no matter how much of a newbie I am , or how silly the question.

Long live permies!
 
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I love Permies because it is the nicest, most helpful place on the internet. It's a community of real people working to find real solutions to world problems. It gives me an opportunity to learn from others and to share what I'm learning. Definitely glad to support this project.
 
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About time.

I'm probably not supposed to share this, but the limitations of the current server are really starting to show behind the scenes.  At a time when the world needs permaculture more than ever,  we are struggling.  Privately owned online communities like this one, are so few and to find one that is free to join and read!  Amazing!

I hear from Paul that this site runs at a loss and I can see the heroic efforts that keep this site running day to day despite the limitations of the hardware.   Imagine what we could do with a new server!  

Thanks Paul for asking the community for help to make permies.com a better place.
 
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Great idea!  Could you please additionally add some text regarding how payment is to be made once the fund drive is finished?  Thanks!....
 
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John Weiland wrote:Great idea!  Could you please additionally add some text regarding how payment is to be made once the fund drive is finished?  Thanks!....



If you want to contribute, just put the amount in the box to the right of the first post in this thread, and when you press “submit” it will direct you to a payment screen where you can chose to pay with paypal or stripe. The payment will go through right away, and you should be getting an email confirmation of it.

Hope this helps!
 
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$ 1,995  
 
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I assume you want physical server?
Otherwise the cost is outrageous 🤷🏼‍♂️

If you opt for cloud server it can be available to you for as low as 5 $ a month.
 
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$3,075

Thank you everyone who has donated so far, we are on the right track to getting our new server!
 
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More than happy to donate, permies.com is such a valuable resource for everyday permie questions and for the social/emotional support that we all need. It's so great to know that you all are out there doing your best and changing the world!
 
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$4,100

We've made it to $4,100! Permies is such a great community! I thoroughly enjoy my time here! Please help keep Permies running smoothly.

 
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We are almost to the Good server level, but I think we can get to the great server level. Permies is a great place to learn so much for free. Lets give back a little to help keep it running.
 
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Thanks for making the donation counter update in real time.

Last night I was torn between refreshing every two seconds to see if the total went up and not wanting to put extra stress on things.  This is way better.
 
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My heart is full seeing all the small donations add up.

We have almost secured a new server to upgrade into!
 
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Happy to help!! Do you have a deadline?
 
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11 years ago the thread numbers (for new threads) hovered around 20,000. Today, the thread numbers hover around 250,000.  So we are more than ten times bigger.  And we have more attachments, more pictures and more downloadable stuff.  So we need more storage than we thought we would 11 years ago.

In this thread I point out that traffic to permies, 11 years ago, hit a record with 517,899 people in one month.

https://permies.com/t/80/1734/site-traffic#149700

Later in that thread, I shared that we hit a new record of 2,577,206 users.  

So we have five times the overall traffic!

And we have added the digital market, a ton of moderation tools, all the SKIP stuff and more!  So we make this server work damn hard!
 
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I kicked in a little this morning and I've enjoyed watching the list of people after me grow and I'm pushed farther and farther from the bottom.
 
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Woohoo! Good server achieved!! now lets get to the awesome one!!!
 
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Andrés Bernal wrote:Woohoo! Good server achieved!! now lets get to the awesome one!!!



Woot!
 
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I'm getting questions about "why not try..." "this would be better..." and that sort of thing.

I don't fully understand computer speak but I have been following the developers as they work on this issue behind the scenes.     for years.    They have done stellar work to keep us up and running.

Pause here for applause...

...because I don't think there are many privately owned websites that deal with as much traffic and behind the scenes mess as permies.  Our challenges are unique.  

They have tried or considered most of the other options.  And they have done things that I don't even think are possible - and yet they do it.  

I also love the way they apply permaculture principles to website management.  I think that's why we are still here - that they can think outside the box.  Permaculture is useful.  


My limited understanding is that this path is the most sustainable for the long term future of permies.

A huge thank you for everyone who got us to the first server level.  

And also, I wonder... it wouldn't be a bad thing if we got beyond the goal and have a bit of monies leftover for day to day permies server bills and stuff.  We run at a loss and Paul pays out of pocket.  PIE is another great way to support the daily runing of permies.
 
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For the month of may, on an average day we served 685,035 page views.

That's about 29,000 page views per hour.  About 500 per minute.

My guess is that a particularly busy minute will have 5000 pages.

Permies is right on the internet backbone, so we can handle this.  And our CPU does well.  It is the database stuff that is our general bottleneck.  Mostly for writing to the database.  And the total disk space we use is pretty huge.

We used to run permies on a shared hosting thing, but ....

     the good company got sold to a mediocre company

           which got sold to a lame company
       
                 which got sold to a really shitty company

                         who thought we had too much traffic, so they just turned the site off one day

Permies takes up a whole server.  And when we talk about adding stuff, there is sometimes discussion about distributed computing, but we usually come up with a way to keep it all on one server.
 
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          $5000!



 
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$6,389!

Yay! We're getting closer!!!
 
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paul wheaton wrote:For the month of may, on an average day we served 685,035 page views.

That's about 29,000 page views per hour.  About 500 per minute.



Yay for world domination! The more views, the more people we convert to permaculture, the better the world gets....Let's get the server some headroom!
 
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This thread is the 260600th thread made on permies.

Next year will be the 20th anniversary of the first permies post.

That's a lot of history . A lot of permaculture.
 
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r ranson wrote:This thread is the 260600th thread made on permies.

Next year will be the 20th anniversary of the first permies post.

That's a lot of history . A lot of permaculture.



And it's full of easily-found resources and knowledge. A lot of forums and social media is really hard to search, especially if you're not member. I struggle to find old pictures and post on facebook, despite being on there. I can barely access Instagram and have no idea how to search it since I'm not a member.

But, permies is searchable by google and our own search engine. Almost every week, I do some sort of search to find an old thread or post that had the knowledge I was looking for, and I can easily find it here on permies.

I was part of other forums in the past, and read and learned a lot, and shared things I'd learned on those forum. Now those forums and that knowledge is gone. But, permies is still here, keeping knowledge perennial. It's a beautiful thing!
 
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$6,839!

Yay! We swapped a couple numbers!!!
 
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I remember this character on TV in CA years ago...Cal Worthington and his dog Spot. Spot was a different animal for each commercial! This number sounds like a car sale amount! Lol

$6,895!
 
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The fundraiser has been live for just about 24 hours.  

Thank you so much to everyone who is helping out.  We are already at the first goal.  Fingers crossed we can get the super amazing server.  That would mean a lot for long term sustainability of this community.  
 
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I first found Permies in 2020--you know, that year--when I was busy trying to make sense of a lot of things in my life--and basically, how to live in times like ours.

What I found here totally checked out with my gut feelings about things, opened my mind to a million and one possibilities, and incredibly there were actual PEOPLE here who would personally advise, encourage, and pep-talk my efforts in changing my lifestyle and choices. I felt like I had struck gold--there's just nothing like this place! May it flourish and increase.
 
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          $7000!



 
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Once, after a kickstart campaign I was asked why I had not contributed.  I said the hype and hoopla was way beyond my tolerance level, I may have named multiple facets of what turned me away, and I had not wanted the product, what ever it was.  

It was most eloquently explained to me that the kickstart projects funded the Wheaton-Permies undertaking.  I said I would far rather be asked for money outright than be targeted by so much effort to shape my behavior towards someone else’s goals.  I said I would like to know where the money went, that as much as I appreciate what Paul is doing with his one precious life, I don’t always agree.  I like to know specifically what I am supporting, then I can choose or not.

I don’t know if that had anything to do with this straightforward campaign to replace a vital piece of equipment.  

I felt respected, and I thank you for the opportunity to contribute.  (Which I have done).  I NEED the Permies community.

Thanks to everyone else who has donated!  We’re almost there, and if the money continues to flow, Paul, your new server should be funded very soon.
 
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