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Hi Kena, great point about the Instapot.  I'll change it and I'm sure we'd've approved anyone who used a similar pressure cooker.

I think Paul doesn't like the camping rocket stoves.  I can't recall why.  But there is a BB in Rocket for Build and cook food on a Dakota stove.  That doesn't require any fabrication and you could get two BBs for one bit of cooking...
 
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Obviously, I will never get any of these. Hay bale cooking? Sure, always wanted to try it. Solar dehydrating? Sure, that’s why I kept the Rodale plan book for oh, 10 years. But I’m not very interested in much of the rest of it. Not far enough along Paul’s scale, and as far as I can tell, never will be.
 
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Jennie Little wrote:Obviously, I will never get any of these. Hay bale cooking? Sure, always wanted to try it. Solar dehydrating? Sure, that’s why I kept the Rodale plan book for oh, 10 years. But I’m not very interested in much of the rest of it. Not far enough along Paul’s scale, and as far as I can tell, never will be.



Hi! I was wondering what your thoughts might be on our forming PEA (Permaculture Experience for Apartments/Anywhere) https://permies.com/t/133871/PEA-Permaculture-Experience-Apartments. We're wanting to make it accessible for everyone. Thanks!
 
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Its all good and well if you have land and can do a lot of stuff.
For most modern living in the city or even the suburbs blocks of land have gotten smaller and smaller from once being an avg of a good 1000sqm down to something like 520sqm in most modern housing estates.
Sure we have solar hotwater but the roof cant handle anything more than that but even the idea of a rock mass stove would be great or even some sort of wood fire oven but when you have a back yard down to something like 15m wide by about 3m deep its near impossible to build something like that out back as you dont get a real lot of space for a clothes line or vegie beds.
Im lucky that i have a bathtub i found on the side of the rd to grow in some herbs and pots to grow a tomatoe and a peper and some more herbs.
Its a great idea what your doing for people with land but for many people like my self many of these tasks just are unable to be done when it comes to a fire pit to cook on as just no where safe to do it
 
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Great points Andrew!  This particular program (PEP) is most suited to people with access to a bit of land and a climate roughly similar to Montana (where Wheaton Labs is located).

We've been working on and off on a parallel program called PEA (Permaculture Experience for Apartments) that would be able to be done anywhere in the world.  That effort would be farther along but the limited volunteer labor we have has been focused on getting PEP laid out completely.
 
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Sprouting might be a good addition to the list for sand badge, maybe in the choose your own adventure section. It can be a good way to get some fresh greens from storage foods during the hunger gap, and can make those foods more nutritious and digestible for some people, plus it’s pretty easy but a lot of people have never tried it. Something like “Sprout at least one (dry) cup of seeds, grains, or legumes and keep them alive and fresh until radicles and cotyledons (baby roots and seed leaves) are visible on most of the sprouts” or something like that?
 
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I popped on today to see if I could start earning my Food Prep and Preservation Badge with stuff like making yoghurt, butter, or mozzerella cheese.
I know they're not all inclusive as it's not vegan...but I'd love to see some dairy options added.
  Maybe a future addition to the pizza badge? Homemade mozzerella to go on top of a homemade sourdough crust pizza?
 
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Good ideas Kat!  I think as the Straw, Wood and Iron levels are developed they will include most of that stuff.
 
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Where would making vinegar fit in this topic?
 
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I'm pretty sure vinegar will be in the Straw badge
 
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I believe I have my PEP badge in Food Prep & Preservation!

My BB Links:
- Skillet Test: https://permies.com/p/1087809
- Dry food: https://permies.com/p/1140786
- Vinegar pickle: https://permies.com/p/1090349
- Salt brine: https://permies.com/p/1090352
- Water bath canning: https://permies.com/p/1140772

- Grain - Stovetop: https://permies.com/p/1079146
- Grain - Crock Pot: https://permies.com/p/1140141
- Grain - Solar Oven: https://permies.com/p/1140151
- Grain - Haybox Cooker: https://permies.com/p/1140166

- Stirfry: https://permies.com/p/1080243
- Soup: https://permies.com/p/1084470
- Pizza: https://permies.com/p/1089848
- Bread: https://permies.com/p/1089876
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I certify you for the Food Prep and Preservation Badge!

 
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Two items were removed from the Sand badge and will be put into Straw.  They are Pressure Canning and Cooking Sunchokes.  If you did one of them already they will be honored for your Sand badge or you can save them for Straw - your choice.
 
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I haven't seen this anywhere, but I admit, I haven't read the entire thread.

For semi-anti-tech folks, I'm surprised air drying wasn't listed first for food preservation?

Air drying a string of onions or garlic or peppers. Or, a cabbage, perhaps? Herbs?

Is it considered so basic that no one thinks it's an accomplishment? I found one interesting idea for stringing onions in a Brit. show about WWII, a way to loop onion tops through string I hadn't considered. But I"ve never grown onions and no one hereabouts sells them complete, so no onion strings here. I have strung garlic and peppers. I use a needle and thread. I dry herbs every year, I use lunch bags and rubber bands.

 
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Hi Jennie, we do have solar dehydrating but I don't see anything for air drying.  That is probably built into lots of BBs in food care and gardening.  In gardening there's a BB for "Grow, Harvest and Store 100,000 calories".  So you can certainly do it for a portion of that.  

But yes, it appears that simply air drying something isn't on the list.
 
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Kat Ostby wrote:I popped on today to see if I could start earning my Food Prep and Preservation Badge with stuff like making yoghurt, butter, or mozzerella cheese.
I know they're not all inclusive as it's not vegan...but I'd love to see some dairy options added.



I make vegan cheese all the time, usually mozzerella! I've made vegan butter in the past as well, and I'd bet vegan yogurt isn't that hard to make either.
 
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We're working on the Food Prep badge upper levels right now (Straw, Wood and Iron levels).  Cheese making will very likely end up in the Straw badge (vegan or milky).
 
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Would it be possible to have an alternative for using cast iron?

I don't use cast iron in my household for health and nutritional reasons.

Here's an article discussing these matters: https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/iron-dangers.shtml

More specifically in it he states, "  'Can cooking in an iron frying pan put iron into food?' Yes, especially if the food is acidic, as many sauces are. The added iron will destroy vitamins in the food, besides being potentially toxic in itself."
 
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No, Paul's pretty set on cast iron for at least a portion of the cooking.  Cooking tomatoes in cast iron is a great way to ruin the seasoning as well.  
 
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Good Job on the straw wood and iron badges. Thanks everyone who worked on them.  This would be a great topic for a podcast.
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