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Did some research on my dishwasher. It uses 12L per wash according to this https://www.egarpi.es/lavavajillas-60-cm/636-lavavajillas-fagor-lvf-13.html, which is pretty good for a dishwasher, less than 3gal. Similar amount to what I used to wash the dishes. But the dishwasher uses .89 kWh. And when we run it, we do it on "eco" mode, which runs for three hours. Seems like the major difference is hand-powered washing (free) vs. electrical powered washing (burning fossil fuels and paying money to fossil fuel industry). Very glad this possible life change opportunity was brought to my attention by PEP and permies. :) Almost forgot the soap! We use Castille Soap https://www.lajaboneriadechurruca.com/es/producto/jabon-de-castilla.html and a second-hand washcloth to wash dishes. Looking forward to crocheting a dishcloth soon to help with scrubbing action.
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Dirty dishes
Dirty dishes
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Washing in progress
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Dirty dishwater
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Clean dishes and dirty dishwater which has been transfered to buckets
Clean dishes and dirty dishwater which has been transfered to buckets
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buckets are 10 L each, 3 gal is 13.6 L. First bucket is full, second is less than one third full.
buckets are 10 L each, 3 gal is 13.6 L. First bucket is full, second is less than one third full.
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With no dishwasher, we’ve gotten a good system down!

We use Seventh Generation Free & Clear soap, which is biodegradable. https://www.seventhgeneration.com/dish-liquid-free-clear
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Dishes everywhere!
Dishes everywhere!
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In progress
In progress
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Wash water <1gal
Wash water <1gal
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Rinse water ~1gal
Rinse water ~1gal
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Drying dishes pile 1
Drying dishes pile 1
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Drying dishes pile 2
Drying dishes pile 2
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Location: Mie, Japan
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We don't have a dishwasher so I'll do it by hand like most days.
Heat some water up on the stove, it uses less gas than using the on-demand boiler.
Pour the hot water in the small bowl and add some cold water if it's too hot. Wet the sponge and put some soap on it.

Use the sponge and hot water to wash the dishes and put them in the big bucket.
Move them around to rinse them and put them in the dish-tray.
Clean up after so it's less to do before the next batch of dishes...

We bought the soap locally at a farmers market a couple of months ago so the label is long gone but I think it only had two ingredients, vegetable oil and sodium hydroxide (lye, caustic soda). It has no smell.
We'll probably buy some more next time we go there.
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Location: Alberta, Canada
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To complete this BB I used a Bowl that holds 2 gallons of water. I used Unscented Company dish soap.

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7.8L (2 gallon) wash bowl
7.8L (2 gallon) wash bowl
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All the dirty dishes
All the dirty dishes
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Some of the dishes in the washbowl
Some of the dishes in the washbowl
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All of the cleaned dishes
All of the cleaned dishes
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Dishes time, I shouldn't have left last night dirt dished sit in the sink, but I did and since I was finishing my coffee I thought I might as well get these done.

The Soap i used was Mrs. Meyer's ( just a few drops) i'ved used this for awhile, and normally just dump the water into my compost or into a garden plot i'm preparing. Mrs Meyers says all the pretty words, and it never messed up my compost, so safe enough for me.

The picture with the white water bucket is 1gal, in the picture i used about 1/3 to 1/4 so roughly 2 to 4 cups of water. ( If I wouldn't have had to scrub last nights mess, I could have made that down to 1 cup maybe less)
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reusing water
reusing water
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putting into bucket for outside
putting into bucket for outside
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2 to 4 cups
2 to 4 cups
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I am resubmitting this BB with a bigger pile of dishes. I used the same washbowl (2 gallons) and soap as my last submission.
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The soap I am using
The soap I am using
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All the dirty dishes
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Washing in progress
Washing in progress
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Drying in the dishrack and sink
Drying in the dishrack and sink
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More drying on the stove
More drying on the stove
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Posted on my permies diary as well.
permies.com/p/1275194
Now, I don't typically even use soap when washing the dishes, as it's primary purpose is as a de-greaser. It's not needed to clean the dishes, as a really good scrubbing will do that just fine with most modern dishes (No pores in glazed ceramic, so tiny bits of food can't hang out there). I'm hoping that I still qualify for the BB using no soap. If not, well, I guess I'll find out & have to do it again! No big deal.
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Dirty dishes in the sink.
Dirty dishes in the sink.
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This is a 2 liter soda bottle. Used to measure out how much water I'm using. I used 3 bottles, totalling 6 liters, to start, then used no more than 2 liters after that for additional rinsing.
This is a 2 liter soda bottle. Used to measure out how much water I'm using. I used 3 bottles, totalling 6 liters, to start, then used no more than 2 liters after that for additional rinsing.
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Cleaning dishes.
Cleaning dishes.
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Dishes in Progress.
Dishes in Progress.
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Obviously less than 3 gallons used.
Obviously less than 3 gallons used.
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We do not have a dishwasher and so I have done three loads of washing up by hand.  To get the maximum out of each BB, I enter learned information in a journal so I can also add more information to enhance the journey.
One of the loads was jam pots and other jam making equipment.
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Journals develop the learning experience and create a record of knowledge
Journals develop the learning experience and create a record of knowledge
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I found this interesting since I assumed it would be hard to use only 3 gals, but no: I used about 2 Canadian gallons as measured in a 4l milk jug.

Soap is Biovert biodegradable plant based that we buy in 10l jugs through a bulk buying club.
Link: https://www.bio-vert.com/en/product/dishwasher-liquid/

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Dirty dishes in and around the sink. Big strawberry processing session yesterday!
Dirty dishes in and around the sink. Big strawberry processing session yesterday!
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Dishes being washed. 1 gal in the sink to start, 1 gal in a jug for rinsing
Dishes being washed. 1 gal in the sink to start, 1 gal in a jug for rinsing
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Clean dishes, just under 2 gal in the sink, a little left in the bottom of the jug to rinse out the sink afterwards.
Clean dishes, just under 2 gal in the sink, a little left in the bottom of the jug to rinse out the sink afterwards.
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Dish soap
Dish soap
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We don't own a dishwasher so we so the dishes, by hand, every day. When I do the dishes I like to soap everything up and pile it in the sink. When I rinse it helps rinse the items piled below it. I also collect the rinsing water in pans or larger items and use that to help clean the other items - it's a bit like a cleaning pyramid scheme. Before I begin everything uncooked gets composted in our garden, cooked food (or exotics like citrus) go in the municipal compost.

The soap we use is Ecover washing up liquid. We re-fill the same container at a local store. It is plant based, completely biodegradable (see link below) and very ethical.

Link to Ecover washing up liquid

I completely filled our drying rack today. I'll add photos of it and update this post with photos of two more washes to make a full dishwasher load (it'll be a guess!)

I caught the majority of the rinse water in the stainless pan that I pictured. I measured this as 19cm diameter by 10cm tall - a total capacity of 2835ml or 0.75 gallons. I half-filled this pan and, for the sake of surety, we can imagine that I lost the same amount of water again (I am sure that I didn't lose this much!). That means that if I do three loads I will have used 2 and a quarter gallons.
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Full sink! Soaped
Full sink! Soaped
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In progress - catching water
In progress - catching water
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2nd in progress
2nd in progress
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Full drying rack
Full drying rack
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Size of water pan
Size of water pan
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Size of water pan
Size of water pan
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Another load in progress
Another load in progress
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Water used
Water used
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Done!
Done!
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Water used for 3rd load
Water used for 3rd load
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Done!
Done!
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I have not used a dishwasher in over a decade since I lived with my parents. Always seemed like an odd waste of electricity and water to me. Here are some dishes in my tiny house sink :)

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I don't own a dishwasher, but if I remember the large one I had as a kid these two loads would mostly fill that.

Total water used measures to about 1.3 gallons. No soap needed.

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Load 1 dirty
Load 1 dirty
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Washing by hand
Washing by hand
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Load 1 clean
Load 1 clean
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Load 2 dirty
Load 2 dirty
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Load 2 clean
Load 2 clean
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girl power ... turns out to be about a hundred watts. But they seriously don't like being connected to the grid. Tiny ad:
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