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Jocelyn Campbell wrote:
Found a compelling blog post by a woman who had to give up being vegan for health reasons: http://voraciouseats.com/2010/11/19/a-vegan-no-more/.
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My first bite of meat after 3.5 years of veganism was both the hardest and easiest thing I’ve ever done. Tears ran down my face as saliva pooled in my mouth. The world receded to a blank nothingness and I just ate, and ate, and ate. I cried in grief and anger, while moaning with pleasure and joy. When I took the last bite I set back and waited to feel sick. I had just devoured a hunk of dead animal, the most evil thing I could conceive of, surely my body would reject this debasement and I would feel vindicated that I truly was meant to be a vegan. Instead, my face felt warm, my mind peaceful, and my stomach full but….I searched for a word to describe how it felt….comfortable. I realized that for the first time in months I felt satiated without the accompaniment of stomach pain. I had only eaten a small piece of cow flesh, and yet I felt totally full, but light and refreshed all at once. I reveled in that new and unexpected combination of sensations. How amazing it was not to need to eat for an hour solid till my stomach stretched and distended over my pants just to buy an hour or two of satiety. How beautiful it felt to be able to eat the exact thing that for so long my body had been begging for. I felt profoundly joyful in finally listening to the wisdom of my body. What a revelation.
That's pretty much my opinion. I struggled for years on a so called healthy diet (low fat as recommended by the national health service in the UK) that was just making me more unhealthy. I don't believe it is good for the majority of people but I'm really not interested in arguing about it.Kirk Hutchison wrote:
I'll leave the moral debate to the philosophers among us, but here is the science-that-is-rejected-by-the-corrupt-scientific-community take on this issue:
Each individual has a unique 'metabolic type' meaning a different set of ideal diet configurations. They generally group people into three groups: the protein type (healthiest when consuming a larger proportion of protein), the carbohydrate type, and the mixed type (in the middle, with some leaning more one way or the other. These types are the result of evolution to deal with life in different areas. The Inuit (aka Eskimos) live almost entirely off of meat (that includes fish) and are very healthy. People in the deep tropics, however, may only eat meat occasionally. Now, of course, these types are thrown out of their natural geographic ranges to to migration and interbreeding between these different groups.
Warren David wrote:
Most people with an opinion on what we should be eating are either unhealthy or overweight or both. Until they sort themselves out they should really just keep their opinions to themselves.
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One of the problems that many people have with the paleo/low carb diets is they switch over to them too quickly. It's a shock for the body to switch from a typical high carb diet to a high protein or high fat diets like paleo/low carb. It is no wonder that people drop it after a few days. I eased into it very gradually and painlessly over a period of several weeks. If I had just jumped in feet first like so many people do then I would have probably felt terrible too and may have given it up. I am so glad I took my time because it really has done me the world of good.tel jetson wrote:I had a roommate who tried the paleo diet and felt really terrible so he ditched it and felt much better.
Definitely. The problem is these days is that so many people make recommendations on diets, that when you see them obviously are not working for them.talking about what works for each of us seems reasonable, though, especially if we're open to other folks making different choices that work for them.
The thread actually started off talking about diets, not use of the land. The lead post even mentioned eating a retarded orphan among other things (not tried that myselffor a while, this thread was mostly dealing with which diet would use the least land and inputs, and not which diet was healthiest. like choosing a diet, I think that issue is going to be specific to each piece of land.
Warren David wrote:
One of the problems that many people have with the paleo/low carb diets is they switch over to them too quickly.
Warren David wrote:
If somebody thinks they are doing the planet a big favour by eating a certain way then I'm happy to let them carry on but as far as I'm concerned my main priority is my health.
The planet can supply many of us with healthy food and I think it can be done without damaging the planet.
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Yet more proof that we all need to find what works for us personally. I hang about on a couple of fitness message boards. Some endurance athletes do well on paleo but there are many just like your friend that do well with higher carbs. I'm not an endurance athlete but I work in construction doing very physical work that often requires endurance. My endurance is much better on paleo.tel jetson wrote:
my former roommate is kind of a special case. he definitely eased into it and gave it a good couple of months trial after the transition. he's a professional endurance athlete, though, and needs an awful lot of quickly available calories. the paleo diet was terrible for his athletic performance
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A) vegetarians are attempting to live a more evolved life
John Polk wrote:
The "ethical" argument kind of leaves me hanging. If we all became vegetarians, my grandchildren would need to go to a zoo to see a caged steer, as they would be on the endangered species list by then.
paul wheaton wrote:
One thing that has been mentioned in other threads, but I think has not seen the light of day in this thread yet: If you practice rotational grazing, you get five times more growies in that area.
John Polk wrote:
I knew a man who ran about 20 sheep on a rocky hillside. With tedious labor, that same hill side might produce 1 bushel of carrots or tomatoes. Goats would have done well there as well.
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tel jetson wrote:
carrots and tomatoes aren't adapted to grow on rocky hillsides. plenty of other plants are.
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But would people want to eat them?
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I know my organic palm oil comes from Africa and is essentially wild crafted. It is the best source of the best vitamin E and beta-carotene. Not all palm oil comes from Southeast Asia. I buy my cocnut oil from the same company. I already know my egg farmer, my dairy farmer, and in season where my veggies are grown.Joe O' wrote:
I agree. That's why I'd say -
Skip the palm oil entirely and find some good local butter or lard.
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That last one's tricky. Forest covered much more of the land in the past.
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