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Dennis Bangham

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Need some advice on top grafting my Elaeagnus hedge with Goumi. I have about 200 foot of hedge that I want to graft goumi onto. Elaeagnus is just too hard to maintain.

How long can I go after cutting off the tops of the Elaeagnus before I have to graft the scions? I know to leave one branch growing until the grafts take. I would like to cut the hedge down early and start grafting when the bark slips. These are evergreen here so I do not know what signs to look for to start the grafts.

Do I need to completely cover the top of the stump with wax or just where the graft is and any wounds. Is there something cheaper than a lot of wax?

What is the recommendation for type of grafting? Bark Top or Cleft Grafts or other? Any good videos on the technique?

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Which Elaeagnus do you have? What don’t you like about them? My Autumn Olive keeps starting more trunks from the base. I think grafting on them wouldn’t do much to make things easier for you. Mine doesn’t fruit though, so maybe I should graft on a few goumi scions.

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I have Pungens and silverleaf. They get too big and the GOumi I am hoping to find get 6 foot tall and has better tasting berries.

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E pungens doesn’t sound very good. Do they really have 2” thorns? How tall are they?

I suspect that grafting goumi onto them will cause them to make more trunks from the roots or base. I think it might be a huge job every year to keep them contained. I haven’t grown pungens though, so I could be wrong.

Goumis are nice little bushes and no trouble at all. Mine haven’t produced fruit yet and are around 6 years old. They did have quite a bit a shade until a year ago.

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the thorns are not rigid or sharp and are not a problem to me. The problem is they can get 12 foot tall and wide.
I was hopping they would eventually stop growing and remain dwarf but no such luck. It just keeps growing.
A perfect hedge to keep deer out of your yard.
What cultivars of Goumi do you have? Will they remain at 6 feet?

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I recommend Carmine. The berries are much bigger and are very good. My goumis always bear the first or second year in full sun. Birds like them so net a few bushes or you may lose them all

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James, would you be willing to send scions or seeds? I have Sweet Scarlet that I will prune in a couple weeks and can trade. They root readily as cuttings, I would not bother grafting. I second what others on here have said, that seems unlikely to work well.

I take a 12" section, fresh trimmed at the base, dip in rooting hormone and stick in the soil. Seems like most years it's best to root them towards mid-spring. This year I am doing softwood cuttings as well, since I am planting a couple hundred and it will more than pay for the setup I need. The chickens eat nothing but goumis for weeks when they are in.

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I can try! When do you want them?

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I would wait until they are well-dormant. I trim the spines and can send the sections in a flat rate box. I sent some out last year to people I forget who. Didn't hear about rooting rates but last year was bad for me- it was too wet and most rotted before rooting. I am thinking of sending them mid-spring and cutting them right before. Why store them over the winter?

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TJ Thanks for the advice. It would be easier to just take out the hedge and chip it up for compost.
James, Carmine does sound good but it tends to grow up to 11 to 15 feet. It might make a good corner bush, but I am trying to get away from the difficult task of trimming this back since I live in a suburb.

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Dennis Bangham wrote:TJ Thanks for the advice. It would be easier to just take out the hedge and chip it up for compost.
James, Carmine does sound good but it tends to grow up to 11 to 15 feet. It might make a good corner bush, but I am trying to get away from the difficult task of trimming this back since I live in a suburb.

Send it to Mike!

I do love chopping these shrubs around

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