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Tree ID - Ailanthus altissima / Tree-of-heaven

 
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This should be a very easy one. Grows invasively but a very beautiful tree, thinking of getting me a few. I don't usually see them this big, since they usually are 'managed' at some point.
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Ailanthus altissima / Tree-of-heaven
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Pretty sure that's tree of heaven. Here are a few altissma in my area.





Snap a green twig off and smell it, it will be more fragrant than your average tree if it is ailanthus.
 
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I finally got my hands on one, but now I'm having serious doubts about planting it. All the literature says not to plant it, all parts of it seem alleleopathic, which might rule out using it as soil-building mulch. And once it's in the ground you pretty much can't get rid of it.

It doesn't seem to have much potential for an ecosystem-based agriculture and I can't seem to find a plant that can survive its ailanthone.

I'm okay with planting the bad guys, like butterfly bush or black locust or willow or nearly any herbaceous weed, but this might be outside my comfort zone. For now it stays in the pot on top of cement.

Any thoughts?

William
 
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William James wrote:I finally got my hands on one, but now I'm having serious doubts about planting it. All the literature says not to plant it, all parts of it seem alleleopathic, which might rule out using it as soil-building mulch. And once it's in the ground you pretty much can't get rid of it.



Based on my experience with ailanthus I think it's allopathic nature is overstated. The towering tree in the picture above is close to my forest garden where I grow all kinds of stuff without any noticeable problem. I have strawberry, basil, tomatoes, mints, service berry, snap peas, lavender etc. all growing less than 15 feet from the trunk.


This tree suckers from the roots and will form a colony if you don't weed the suckers. I would personally not plant this as anything but a windbreak or first pioneer for organic material in depleted soil. It spreads just as easily by seed, but the seedlings pull out of the ground root and all pretty easily. It's always a strong tree but in some climates I think it can really grow super fast and dominant.
 
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The real beauty of Ailanthus and some of the other "invasive exotics" is that they can grow in situations where just about anything else cannot. It is featured in the book "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn"; where it sprouts up between cracks in pavement. It can also reputedly grow in pure coal ash! One can imagine this and other such plants being used to colonize mine spoils and other types of brownfields into forests.......into which more native and useful plants can colonize slowly as the pioneers rebuild the soil.....
 
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Please do NOT plant this tree. It will take over. The more I fight these trees, trying to cut them down, the more pop up from the roots. They have even sprouted up in my green house and I am having a hard time keeping them away.
 
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If nothing else dissuades those who want to plant tree of heaven, know that this tree is a host plant for spotted lantern fly. This is one of the big reasons that tree of heaven is on the top of the list of plants the State of Washington, for one, wants to eradicate.
 
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