Mike Cornwell

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I am finding that the amount of work with an animal directly relates to how intensively they're used, and particularly confined.

Other than filling up a 5 gallon water bucket (I have a larger tub I could use, but don't) for my goats, I don't have to do anything but move them every few days. if I used 3 fences instead of my usual one I could keep them in the same spot for well over a week, and only having to go out there to water them.

The same goes for chickens, if not more so. I would look into having larger than normal water and feeding systems and having a coop/tractor that has an automatic door shut at night. There really isn't that much that is necessary to keep animals good to go, and if desired a few steps (like larger water/feeders) you could really start to go hands off for days at a time.
10 years ago
@John
I certainly have seen this in my travels. A blueberry farm near here that we visited, had this awesome setup of pairing a pig pen with a slanted floor to a chicken coop. Every day or so the guy would spray the pig pen down and everything would slide into the chicken coop for the one or two chickens that he had there to peck through everything.

If you're going to keep animals in pens, this isn't a bad way to do it.

The pigs lived 100% for free off of local fast food left overs. Probably not the BEST feed for them, but i'm not sure the pigs were complaining about getting donuts every day....
10 years ago
So I am building my second chicken tractor and I figured I would share some of the pictures of it!

It is a conduit PVC dome design with a wood frame. The wire will be held via the PVC conduit. The size of the tractor is 5 x 10 feet long, and actually doesn't really weight "too much". Yeah you can't lift it over your head, or try to pick the whole thing up (yourself), but it should be no problem to move once I get wheels on it.

This project should have taken me only a few hours to complete from start to finish, but man I've been hammered by forgetting to get things at the store, or getting an hour or so into the job, just to realize that I needed some part I didn't quite think of.





I also wrote a quick blog post about this, but there isn't much more in the post that I didn't say here.
http://buildachickentractortoday.com/update-dome-chicken-tractor-build/

While working on these projects and getting organized I have been in the process of completely redoing the website. I think I finally have it how I want it and should be launching it hopefully in the next week and a half. I have gone completely away from wordpress, and developed the site more or less from the ground up using Python's Django framework, and the Mezzanine CMS platform. The primary reason why I redid the site away from Wordpress is I'll be able to start work on some really cool features to the site like an indexed and searchable catalog of everything I can find on the internet related to chicken tractors. It is my intent that "Chicken Tractors You Can Build Today" will be THE website for finding information on chicken tractors. Eventually with that I'll turn that functionality over to users to really beef the site up and keep it up to date with the latest information on what people are doing with chicken tractors.
10 years ago
I need to do the same thing.

I have considered doing a blog post, or mini ebook on electric fencing, and one thing I'm NOT going to recommend is some of kencove's boilerplate recommendations. In general they definitely helped me out, but using the single pushin grounding rod they gave me, has not been the best way to do things, even though I wish that it would.

I have definitely hit 9-10k from my energizer and single grounding rod. I've been shocked so hard by that fence that I almost was thrown to the ground. But lately I'm getting 3-4k at best, and I think its generally because of grounding issues (and too much stuff touching the fence). That I think may be one of the major issues with using netting, over step in posts with tape/ropes.
10 years ago
What are you doing for eggs? Do they just continually go in a single location? That's usually the downside to free range. Do they have a single coop that you leave open and at night they go in there and do their business? No issues with chickens acting like a nuisance, or at least sounds like its minimal?

Ugly I also have a problem with. The major reason for that, is "ghetto" normally breeds "ghetto". Its really with all things in life. We're very much the product of our environments, so depending on what we surround ourselves with is what we'll think and feel. Doesn't have to be perfect, but, stuff thrown together, always feels like its "thrown together". But I tell you what a good paint job and detail work can certainly help!
10 years ago

Kate Muller wrote:
Glad to see you have been busy since September.


Quite the understatement haha. But it would seem you guys have been quite busy as well! Which is quite nice. The more action you do, the more you realize what can be done with a little "elbow grease". Other than the swales I did everything by hand as well, so it's been slow moving work. In fact I probably should write a little book on that subject. Doing EVERYTHING by hand, is certainly an adventure. I don't even own a riding lawn mower haha.

Kate Muller wrote:
It will be my first livestock and I am sure there will be a sharp learning curve...


Nonsense. You'll be just fine! As Jack Spirko always says "it's just a chicken". By sharp you must mean in a logarithmic fashion... =) You'll be just fine. Must be nice to have somebody taking care of your animals... THAT is the way to go. "Yes I'll come by and collect my spoils now, thank you."

Tina Paxton wrote:
I assume you are talking about "Chicken Tractor" by Patrician Foreman? I have it and you are right, it spends much of the time talking about "upping" the soil through no-till.


That's the main one. If you dig around there are a few other ones that kind of approach the topic, but they're not like at the top. I considered purchasing it as personal homework for this project, but decided its not worth it. I did buy the backyard chickens book for the same purpose. I'm considering returning it because other than a single design, it's completely out of scope of what I'm working on. The projects are all too high in scope, take too long, and I'm sure are quite expensive. Not that the designs aren't good, they're just not "easy tractor designs you can do today".

Fort Knox tractor. Excellent verbage. I'm thinking about building at least one of said tractors, but getting the wheel system right to be able to do it. Or, I have something in a similar spirit. The problem with the Fort Knox tractor is its trying to be both a coop, and a tractor, and the more I go along, I'm not sure that's really the best approach.I do think more and more about having a mobile coop, that you can create an enclosed run for. (Similar to having a mobile coop with putting an electric fence around).

10 years ago
We went with Kencove's net fencing ourselves and a solar setup. It really wasn't expensive, except for the battery. I bought like a 250+ amp hour battery, which is probably way overkill for our fence, but I tell you what it could run it for like a month with no sun.

I put our baby kids out in the fenced area at 1-2 weeks old. The fence wasn't screaming hot, probably around 5k, and when the little guys would come over to nibble on the fence, they got it. I'll never have issues again. My mama goats could careless. But I'll state up front that I have boer goats rather than dairy goats like Nigerians. From what I've seen, read and heard, they seem QUITE a bit more of a pain in the ass to fence and are much more energetic. I seem to imagine them being like my 3 week - 5 week old kids, except always. The two mama goats just lay in the sun all day.

The big thing regarding electric fencing is definitely the grounding. We had a period or two in the last 6 months where we didn't get any rain for a month, and you could REALLY tell the difference in the amount of conductiveness in the soil, not to mention the ground (we have clay) was so unbelievably difficult to get the stakes in the ground, i had to jump up and down as hard as I could (as a 160 pound male).
10 years ago
So I've almost got the first tractor built. I had a feeling it was going to take me a bit longer than it would normally require. I'm building an A-Frame tractor that is as small as I see reasonably going. I haven't put the back door on it (where you'll collect your eggs) yet, nor the wire, but as of right now I can pick it up with one hand (I wouldn't move it with one hand, but just referring to the weight). That was my goal. I'm thinking about adding some handles with it so you can drag it around by yourself no problem. Fits 2 chickens snuggly. It's 6 foot long, 3 foot wide. Are the chickens going to be the happiest chickens alive? No, but I think it does it's job verrrrrry well. For those skeptical about its lack of weight for protection, I've got a few Aces up my sleeve I'm going to test... But I'll wait until I try them first (then report on how bad they were, or useful). I think I'll get some pictures up on the website blog of the action.
10 years ago
Emily,

Very cool pictures thanks for sharing. The chicken moat idea, is an interesting one. I think I would be quite ok, cool with it, if the chickens weren't there 100% of the year. The one thing I do like about that idea, is the idea that any of the areas that might be "up hill" will wash down into the garden, I like those kinda things and have an area above the garden that is perfect for those kinda things. I was going to till it up and throw perennial and annual chicken forage mixes and let them go hog wild. I've ran the goats up there a few times. The one thing regarding the moat, is I'm not entirely sure what its purpose is? I do like the idea of keeping back grasses. Good god that is the biggest problem I have, and I personally believe the reason for that is because i haven't cleared ALL grass in and around my garden. But then you end up along fences, well if you have chickens running around the edges, that would be nice. I am a tad bit concerned at how much the fencing would cost to put in a system like that (depends on the size of your area of course).

Why not put heavily pruned treas around the whole garden? Tallest ones starting North West, smallest south east. I have blueberries, with a few elderberries all along the south (they'll be topped off at 5 foot max, and in the winter time, no issues there). On my east I have satsuma trees that I'll top off at about 6 foot. In my personal case, that size of a tree, just isn't going to shade really anything, at least not but maybe an hour in the summer time, and almost nothing in the winter time (because of the angles). I have a large native black cherry to the west of the garden, we planted a pecan, but I wish praying would make it grow faster, because I need that dude about 30-40 foot tall, like yesterday, to end that 3-6 pm sun.

In my case I will have a small foot walkway that will go all the way around the garden, so the areas that could be shaded via the southern blueberries will be mostly walkways in the morning. As far as the chicken tractor idea, I think right now I have 3 foot walk ways in mind, so I probably would do like you said, 3 by 5. I would put it on BIG tires. I'm thinking like the gorrilla kart tires. The one doubly good thing about this idea is you can roll that tractor right out of the garden and off into the hill sides. The wife basically said "create a variable run" with a set coop. Not a bad idea, I might say.

Kate:
Howdy! Encase you didn't realize (I just have to put this so its obvious) this is the same Mike who you went to Ben's PDC with. =) That's very cool about the chickens. Yeah I definitely don't have either the snow nor the cold problem here, but I certainly am aware that, that is an issue. My first reaction to it, is like you say. Stationary coop/setup, with a mobile one in the spring. Like I said in an earlier post, when you do an element analysis on a chicken coop (as you would with any other permaculture element) you'll certainly see it has needs and limitations, of which you're perfectly describing one. 2 feet of snow cover = not moving. The only thing I could think of would be "put it on skiis or a sled" but, I just don't see that ending well. Cull down the numbers that you have, make space for your breeding / excellent egg layers, over winter, come out strong in the spring. Even here I think overwintering too many animals, is a bad bad idea. It'll cut down your feed costs, remove the amount of space and amount of care necessary, then when there is the all clear, you build back up your stock.

Free range is one of the most interesting topics ever. My friend free ranges his birds, and they've gotten more and more ballzy as the days go by. They stayed really good before, but just kept getting further out, and more daring. You don't necessarily have to fence in the ENTIRE 2.5 acres. There is always the idea of "large paddocks" especially using something like step in posts, and electric twine. At least with that setup you can take it down any time you want. Granted as I hear the best setup is high tension wire that is electrified. Just keep the weeds off it, and phew, that'll put a hurtin.
10 years ago
Emily:
Ok so I spent more time thinking about that article you sent, and wrote a blog post on it. Started talking to the wife, and thinking about the new garden we're going to put in (we're going to abandon our old one and turn it into an intensively managed/pruned tree system). The problem for us is we're just not going to do beds like this, but she came up with the idea of a mobile chicken coop that rides along the main paths of the garden, and we run tunnels to beds.

The garden is an "english style" garden, so its surrounded by trees that will be heavily pruned, and inside the beds will be very uniform in shape and size (I have numerous experiences why I'm going that route now). While we couldn't do what these people did (orient the beds around the tractor, which is the best way), we decided we could easily run the tunnels along the human foot paths, and open it up for the beds we want to access. I'll definitely have to write a post about this, and I can already see creating a video or two out of this...
10 years ago