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So I'm new to this concept, but am wondering if anyone could throw some advice my way.

I'm looking at this concept, but want to grow things like beans, potatoes, maybe some grain like amaranth, high protein and calories crops, but idk if they would work in this concept.
 
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I like acorns for a forest garden. Potatoes can naturalize but they like sun, so you would want a fairly open canopy, same with beans.
 
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It depends on how the forest ends up being made up of & functioning. If it's thick, you'll want more groundcover, Vining (probably not grapes, anything that aggressive may kill your forest within a few years) & bush plants. Got an area that collects water? Leave that spot a little more open & put in forest edge & water edge plants in there. It's an entire system you're trying to create by working with what you have available.

A lot of people I've seen growing those kinds of crops in a forest garden on YouTube usually don't have a "forest" per se, but they planted a lot of crap all across their yard, mostly kind of spread out into different areas. Not really growing those directly under tree cover, but keeping them in mind when deciding where to put trees.
 
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Edges and clearings offer much habitat diversity, but a climax forest/community doesn't.
I think the thing to do is plant along the edges , or in clearings, where you have harvested the wood.
Plant chestnuts and such for the far future, fruit trees for the intermediate future, vines, berry bushes and hazelnuts for the near future, and annuals for the now.

The most efficient way to gather calories from an entire forest is probably hunting , trapping, or running livestock through it.
Mast fed meat is said to be magnificent.
Goats and pigs are both good at using a forest or transforming/destroying it.
 
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Maybe it would help if you let us know what you are working with. Are you trying to plant understory crops to an existing forest or are you creating a food forest from scratch?
 
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Sorry I haven't replied in a bit. Life is crazy right now.

My thoughts are that there is lots of property where I live that is mountainous forests (KY). So I had the idea to let nature be nature, and grow food in the forest, with maybe some minor clearing of trees to give a little bit more light, and use the edges of the forests to grow more light intensive crops. Perhaps clearing a few acres in order to ensure certain crops and food supplies.

On running goats or pigs, I feel the hardest part would be protecting them, and keeping them from running away. Any suggestions on doing both? Hunting would also be a big one for me, so that will help.

Basically, if I can provide lots of calories and consistent food supplies (want to start body building and maintain a large muscle mass) doing forest gardening/maybe a sort of hybrid method. That would be great.
 
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What kind of woods are you looking at?  If it has recently been logged and there isn't much high quality trees left I would design the site to improve access, water retention, and create a zone one space for your calorie dense annual food crops.  

If you manage to acquire a site that has not recently been torn up by logging I would do what my aunt and uncle did. They bought wooded lot to build a passive solar home on in the 1980s.  It had 7 acres of woods and they hired an arborist to come through and teach they about the trees they had.  The trees were marked in different colored paint to signify if they we diseased, damaged and should come down or if it was a rare tree and should be cared for long term.  They high graded the wood lot and designed the house to only need a cord or 2 to heat it over the winter. The floor joists and much of the lumber for the house came from the house site.
30 years later the trees are more impressive than ever.  

We only have a couple of acres  and we live on the  border of suburban and rural living.  Right now we are working clearing the back half of our property of the low value trees and doing some earthworks so we can plant a food forest.    It is a rather steep hill so some terraces, swales and walking paths need to be built.  I will be planting it in cover crops, annual flowers, and extra vegetable seeds I have this year.  Some of this will be and the rest cut down for mulch.   Next spring we will be planting all the long term trees and  shrubs.  Since it will still be sunny to dappled sun for a few years. I will be using the space the trees don't need yet for flowers, herbs, veggies, and seed saving crops.  

Some of the yard between the house and the soon to be food forest will be made into raised beds for zone 2 type annual plants like winter squash, sweet potatoes, potatoes, parsnips, and celeriac.  We currently have most of our annual veggies and fruit production in the front yard.  
The food forest will mostly be nut trees with mostly native fruits as understory trees.  The shrub layer will have lots of fruits and hazelnuts.  I expect these shrubs to eventually die out as the canopy fills in but I want the production in the mean time.   While the hill is sunny I will by growing annual and perennial plants in the space in between the rows of trees.  

Our friends who have 200 acres of woods an hour away from me in a rural area have a very different approach their farm.  They primarily raise animals on food waste from restaurants, supermarkets, breweries, and diary processing companies.  They use pigs to clear out brambles and other low value shrubs and plants in their heavily forested farm.  They use electric fencing to keep the animals where they want them.  Once the pigs have cleared out the under brush they go in an remove the less valuable trees to create savannah style pastures for cows, turkeys, chickens, and the recently added sheep to their pastures.  All these animals are rotationally grassed spring through fall.   All the nuts and fruits that fall from the trees they have kept feed the animals in the fall.

 
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