Jeff Millar

It's a fascinating concept and a promising opportunity. I understand about the illegal narcotics and small amounts of alcohol, but what's wrong with tobacco? Seems that in the videos featuring Ernie Wisner( especially the Wood Burning set, which is great by the way) he is either smoking his pipe or relighting his pipe. I'm fully aware of the "Paul is the supreme grand poobah" concept, but this selective prohibition is puzzling. I'd love to share a pipe one day with Ernie if that possibility ever presented itself.

Did anyone here attend? We got back last night. Had an awesome weekend.

Happy to spread the word. We are eagerly anticipating the trip next month to Indiana.

This seemed like the appropriate category for this. Just wanted to throw this out there for all to see, in case any other midwesterners might be interested. I have no affiliation with the people putting on the conference. Although, my wife and I signed up and booked a hotel to attend. We consider it our joint Christmas present to ourselves.

http://www.midwestsustainable.org/

Found this, it's a little more conventional. Hope it helps. My turkeys and chickens are crazy about mulberries.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1961/2

A snooty chef? I wouldn't have believed it.

After your guests leave, if your family gets hungry enough then they will eat. It looks like your two oldest are at the age when they can help with the damn hard work, mine are a bit older but they are put to work all the time. Maybe if they had a hand in producing what they eat, they would be more open to eating it. Don't get discouraged, it sounds like you are doing the right thing, and eventually they may realize that you are doing it for them.

Jeff Millar wrote:
No, don't do that. I was making a joke, Eisenhower did beat Dewey. The Chicago Tribune incorrectly predicted the winner and put out that headline. It's a pretty famous photo, especially around here because Dewey was from Owosso, Mi which is two towns over from me. If you changed it, you should change it back.

I meant Truman. They are all dead, though, so they wont be kicking up a fuss.

I live near Shiatown near Vernon, where you at?

Ken Peavey wrote:
I must admit that I don't know who ran against Eisonhower.  I shall change that line to
-since Moses came over on the Mayflower.
-since the invention of food.
-since Edison came up with the steam engine.

No, don't do that. I was making a joke, Eisenhower did beat Dewey. The Chicago Tribune incorrectly predicted the winner and put out that headline. It's a pretty famous photo, especially around here because Dewey was from Owosso, Mi which is two towns over from me. If you changed it, you should change it back.

Ken Peavey wrote:

They won't soon be changing their ways, even if its a good idea, because they've been doing it since Eisonhower beat Dewey, aint giving up that tractor and letting that field grow over with weeds after fighting all their lives to eradicate them. 

Huh. I guess I got the wrong paper that day.

People don't change very easily, and for the most part folks worldwide do not want to produce anything for themselves anymore. I really don't think anything will change wholesale until something terrible occurs on a large scale, and even then the majority will continue to insist that the government take care of them. Read "Dies the Fire" by S.M. Stirling to get a glimpse.

My goals have more to do with taking care of my family than trying to change the world, but if it inspires even one other person, then that is an added benefit. I think that in contemporary America, the chance of permaculture catching on in a popular way is about as good as a Libertarian ending up in the White House. But that's just me, I'm kind of a pessimist.