Brenda Ash

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Ron Haberman wrote:I have to say Wow! also. Thanks for the great description and pictures. I am doing a raised bed and some lower type beds also for next year. This post gives me support ahead of time.



Ron, happy to hear that!  The upfront effort constructing the beds is no small task but well worth it in my experience.  Despite late planting this year the beds really put out.  Next spring will be interesting to see how quickly the beds thaw.  Will be covering a good portion with tarps and other sections open to snows to see what works best.  Am hoping to get a hoop cover over Bed 3 before winter hits. With luck will be planting spinach in April!

Good luck with your new beds!
5 years ago

Diane Kistner wrote:I'm absolutely in love with the look of your Hugelbed #1 Sept 23 2019!



Diane, I loved it too!  So lush and crazy...no straight rows anywhere.  Picking felt like an adventure, playing hide and seek with the fruits and finding yummy surprises everywhere LOL!  Thanks for your sweet comment
5 years ago
Hey thanks Daron for checking this out.   Hoping to add apricot and plum trees next year. We made small 4x4 raised beds too which were planted with flowers this year but will have veggies too going forward.  The elderberry bushes went nuts this year in Bed 1 so as the perennials fill in that bed, the small flower beds will have edible companions.

Unlike previous gardens, I'm trying out No-Dig with this one.  Chopped the annuals off at soil level, cut them into chunks and dropped in place. Have 1 year old horse manure to layer on next, then a few bags of leaf mold from last spring.   Covering with plastic for the winter for earlier planting next spring.   We don't have a slug problem here but voles have moved in.  My dog is out hunting them in the garden now :-)

Also forgot to mention that I "planted" michorrizae found in soil around dead birch stumps with the new fruit and nut bushes.  Not sure if this will help but it sure won't do any harm.
5 years ago
I'm grateful for all who've shared ideas and info here and so am sharing my experience/results in the first year of using techniques I learned on this forum.  

The garden is in NW Montana Zone 5a.  Long term goal is a food forest on ~ 1/2 acre of sandy soil with good sun exposure.  Challenges included low water retention and limited humus.  Also fenced in the area to keep deer out.  Area flanked by large birch to the west, small spruce to the east, and a tall fir in the center.  

2 Years ago, planted 2 apple trees (Liberty and Honeycrisp).  This year, sheet mulched around them to kill native grass and overplanted with white dutch clover.  Added daffodils and chives around base.  Both trees produced better than ever this year, with larger and more abundant fruit.  The pollinators loved the clover all summer long.  Will be planting clover as groundcover instead of lawn going forward.

Hugelkulture beds:
Bed 1: using tractor, dug a 70 foot long x 5 foot wide trench 18 inches deep.  Final constructed depth with edging is 40".   Laid down layer of dead birch trunks and branches.  Added layer of fresh horse manure, Added layer of dead leaves and old corn stalks. Topped with layer of native sandy soil and watered all in thoroughly to remove air pockets.  Then another layer of dead birch, 1 year old horse manure, sandy soil and watered it in.  Edged the beds with planks cut from a big spruce tree downed in a storm.  Topped the beds with 2-3 year old composted horse manure.  Dressed the top 6" of compost with addition of sand and clay, along with azomite.  Perrenial plantings added this spring: chokecherry, elderberry, jostaberry, currant, hazelnut, asparagus.  Annual plantings this June: pumpkin & winter squash, lettuce, swiss chard, carrots, radish, cucumbers, onion, potato, broccoli, brussel sprouts, basil.  Other plantings: buckwheat (early season), marigold, alyssum, sunflower, nasturtuim, and clover.  Mulched with wheat straw.

Bed 2: using tractor dug a 20' x 5' x 18" trench.  Laid down dead birch logs. Covered with 2-3 year horse manure compost.  Transplanted raspberry bushes from another location.  Planted clover.

Bed 3: another raised bed lined with spruce as in Bed 1 but without trenching, and much smaller (16' x 4' x 18").  Core of bed is dead birch and fresh horse manure.  Topped with composted manure and amended with clay, sand and azomite.  Planted determinate tomatoes, onions, basil, beans, sage, petuniia, marigold, alyssum.  

Results & Lessons Learned:
This was a cool wet summer which positively affected results despite late planting due to delays in constructing the hugelbed.  

Bed #1 kept moisture very well.  Only watered it a few times in August.  I planted too densely and with too many flowers which crowded out the onions and many carrots but there were very few weeds.  Other than potatoes and brassicas, everything else was interplanted.  The profusion of plant life made it challenging to find the veggies sometimes: I'll plant fewer flowers next year and train cucumbers up trellises.  All season long we had lots of honeybees and bumblebees.  Cabbage butterfly did nominal damage to broccoli and brussel sprout leaves: sprayed them with neem oil to contain the damage.   Nasturtiums had no bug damage whatsoever.  Grasshopper damage minimal (we encouraged birds in the garden with feeders and water and they helped limit the hopper damage I believe).  The wheat straw mulch sprouted wheat which was a bonus crop (actually used for crafts) Very pleased overall with the results!

Bed #2.  Due to late transplanting, was concerned how raspberries would do this year.  They flourished, producing 8 gallons of juicy berries.  I expect they'll do even better as they get established.

Bed #3.  Very pleased with production and lack of pests.  Tomatoes and spring onions did exceptionally well.

My sincere thanks to Paul Wheaton and all the contributors to this forum for teaching me so much and helping me get this food forest off to a wonderful start!  May your harvests be plentiful!



5 years ago

paul wheaton wrote:Plus - is that air between the wood?  There should not be air between the wood - it should all be soil.  I've seen people doing that too - where they make a pile of wood and then put soil on that.  There should be heaps of soil on wood contact.



We just started building our first HK and I wasn't really clear on this point.  Thank you Paul!  

To get good soil/wood contact at the base of the bed, we layered excavated sandy soil on top of the birch base logs and watered it in really well to fill in the gaps then let it all soak in overnight.  The logs and limbs are solidly imbedded in soil (yay!).  Today we stuffed branches and old corn stalks into the remaining gaps, topped it with fresh horse manure and hay and tromped it all down into the remaining nooks & crannies around the base logs.  This added some lovely worms to the bed too.  Nearby we dug a separate trench for raspberries and dumped that soil on top of the HK manure and BONUS!!! found a thick layer of mycellium which I spread over the HK bed and saved a bucket full to later innoculate the outer layers of the HK. The HK is now at ground level. Next steps are to lay more birch logs and top those with layers of composted horse manure and native sandy soil as thick as we can get it (fortunate to have a lot with our 5 horses).  Hubby is resistent to building the bed more than 4 feet above ground (concerned it may encroach on the  nearby fence as soil washes down) so we will make do with a constructed height of 6' (2' below ground, 4' above) and see how it goes.    
6 years ago
Hello Permies!  I'm new here having spent the last few days reading this fascinating informative thread...WOW and thank you!!!  I'm brand new to permaculture but a long time home gardener.  This winter I listened to a Paul Wheaton podcast as I was interested in learning more about permaculture and am proud to declare myself as a new Hugelkultur Experimenter...WOOT!  My husband thinks I'm nuts but I have faith that, given time to see what our experiment does, he'll be nuts too :-)  I'm 100 miles north of Paul Wheaton in NW Montana and excited to build a food forest adjacent our newly constructed home using two techniques: Hugelkultur and traditional raised box beds.  So this is a great opportunity to see which outperforms the other.

We're constructing the Hugelkultur now.  With our Kubota tractor we dug a 60' long 5' wide trench averaging 18" deep along our north fence line.  The soil here is 90% sand with good potassium and phosphorus but no N.  Fortunately we have composted horse manure rich in N but deficient in phosphorus so a mix of the two should help balance nutrients and to add organic matter for the soil babies.  We laid a layer of dead birch in the bottom of the trench, added sandy dirt, and washed the dirt in for good contact with the wood.  This first layer is still below ground level so I asked hubby to add more birch trunks (we have lots of birch that are dying back at the tops and too near the house for comfort) to fill it in more, along with branches and sticks.  His response: By the time we add 2 feet of horse manure/straw and compost to it, the mound will be 6 feet tall.  I smiled and said YES!  

He brought up a good point though.  How do we keep the soil/compost from falling off the sides?  I'm thinking we need a cover crop ASAP but our average frost free date is May 13th (.  Should we a) plant buckwheat or clover on it now then plant our veg/flower seeds  later in May or b) just go ahead and plant the veg/flower seeds now?  We're putting uncomposted manure/hay in the core of the bed and topping with a foot of layered compost & sand so perhaps the heat generated from that will keep everything warm enough to germinate seeds earlier than what we're used to?    

Planning on planting the hugelbed as follows (but please let me know if there are better ideas or ones I've missed):
Top of the bed:  asparagus, strawberries, squash, cucumbers, flowers, beans
Mid-bed (south facing): tomatoes, peas, beans, herbs, flowers, spinach/lettuce, 2 hazelnuts (these are good to zone 5 so am giving them a windbreak with the hugel and adding some large rocks nearby to absorb heat)
Mid-bed (north facing):  spinach/lettuce, brassicas, elderberry
Bottom of the bed (south): onions. beets, current, flowers
bottom of the bed (north):  annual sunflowers, other??

We plan to mulch the top with wood chips and the sides with straw too, once we get the plants/seeds in.

So my main question is:  early cover crop (clover / buckwheat) or go ahead and plant now?   Am concerned the clover/buckwheat will be invasive and choke out everything else later on?  Thanks in advance for your advice!
6 years ago