Icewalker McCoy

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Great idea Joe.  Both our hops and our grapes have born the brunt of Japanese beetles this year.  Some revenge would be nice .... and I'm pretty sure our chickens will be happy to oblige 
14 years ago
Not sure about plants ... however you could try two things.  Some folks I know up this way swear by putting straw around their plants.  Although I'm not convinced.  The other thing of course is to put some bowls of beer around your beds.  Give the poor little darlings a drink    Then remember to collect the slug bodies each morning and put out any additional beer as required.
14 years ago

erejacob wrote:
With financial independence, you buy health insurance on the free market instead of getting it subsidized by some corporation as part of a benefits plan.

I pay $95/month for a $4500 deductible plan. I've checked the prices of the same plan as it currently sells for someone who's near Medicare age and it's about twice that. This is not expensive. These are California numbers. In Oregon I can get a $10,000 deductible plan for $50/month.

Job loss is irrelevant, since obviously, I don't need a job to receive dividends from the companies I own. A stock market crash/economic recession may cause some of these companies to cut their dividends, but then you buy another one. It's a lot easier to find a new investment than to find a new job, especially in a recession.

I understand trust fund hippies get their money from their relatives. I worked as an employee for all my money. I just didn't spend very much of it and so I still have most of it to do what I do now.



Thanks Jacob - that makes sense.  Presumably you set aside the $4500 as a CD or easily redeemable investment?  Seems like a pretty damn good retirement strategy to for a single person.  I mentor a few troubled teens and may reference them to this thread.

Thanks again
14 years ago

Fred Morgan wrote:
What if a hurricane hits your home? What if a tornado? Flood? Most people don't have insurance for these unlikely events (maybe flood if you are in a flood zone).

How one sells insurance is scaring people into believing low probability events WILL happen. Life is chances, you have to choose which ones you can accept. Sometimes you choose poorly. But, buying insurance is no guarantee either, given twice they have stiffed me for the bill.  The odds of me getting heart disease or cancer in my life time are actually quite low, especially given my family history. Diabetes is another issue, but that is controlled best (if not type one) by diet.

One other thing to consider, I know that my health is my problem, so I eat right, exercise, etc. to protect my health. These are the really important factors.

So far, most of my health care expenses are stitches. 



But Fred - if a hurricane/twister/flood hits your home you can rebuild.  It's not so easy to rebuild the body because of a major illness or accident. 

The question still remains though - would the strategy be to rely on public health assistance or put some money by in case of ill health?  And yes I agree on the health insurance.  Over the years we've been royally sc%#@ed by the medical business because of being 'out of network' or because the charges were 'above normal and customary' .... 

I like the idea of Costa Rica as one strategy.  Of course in my grandparents time .... before regulation took a hold and created all kinds of barriers to entry for the medical field there were other alternatives available in the US.  She actually had her tonsils taken out by the local horse doctor 
14 years ago

pubwvj wrote:
I went from baby sitting and yard work to save up money for a computer so I could do data analysis, programming and computer consulting (1970's, 1980's). Later I added drawing maps and clipart (1980's, 1990's), inventing several things in electronics, mechanical engineering and chemical engineering including iron-on heat Transfer Toner for laser printers in the 1980's, published a magazine (Flash Magazine) about desktop publishing for over a decade along with many books, setup a manufacturing and marketing company for some of my inventions, did sustainable forestry, tried raising pastured poultry (failure) for meat, tried sheep (not able to pay the mortgage because processing ate all the income) and got to pastured pigs where we actually can make a a living on something farmed. We've been doing the pigs for about a decade. Lots of overlapping things in all of that. During that time I rennovated many houses and finally got to build our cottage here on Sugar Mountain.



Wow - That is impressive to say the least.  I'm hoping to make the transition from tech to farm at some point in the future.  Best of luck with your venture.
14 years ago

Jeanine Gurley wrote:
Icewalker,  I think that no matter how well we plan, the average person is going to have some angst in the end.  It is usually an ugly time just like the rest of the animal kingdom.  But the predators usually eat the weak and elderly and humans - in theory - take care of ours till the end.

We can only hope there will be someone around to wipe our front and back end and that maybe we won't be too much of a finacial burden on someone.

Ideally we can die when we take a nap like my grandpa or have tons of money for expensive nursing like my grandmother - but that is not most of us.

We can just try to take care of ourselves and hope for the best.



I couldn't agree more Jeanine - As I stated it's more of a practical question for Paul or Jacob.  Let's say we've put this plan into action lived frugally managed to secure our place in the sunshine and then disaster strikes and we get ill.  How do you bring this into the equation?  For mos of us mere mortals taking out health insurance policies are cost prohibitive.  So is the answer additional savings?  Or relying on the safety net system (medicare/medicaid) to provide health care (while the funds last)?
14 years ago

pubwvj wrote:
We own about 1,000 acres. It is a ring of mountains with a central valley which used to be a town long ago before it was abandoned. Our old farm house was one of the first houses in the area and the only one left of the village. We now live uphill from it in our cottage which we built about four years ago. See:

http://SugarMtnFarm.com/cottage

for that saga. Building the cottage was sort of a dry run for the construction techniques we're using in building the butcher shop.

Neither my wife or I come from farming families. We learned from scratch and bought our land back in the 1980's when land was a lot cheaper. I wouldn't be able to afford it now. Don't want to sell either. We love homesteading, farming and doing sustainable forestry. Gradually we're expanding the fields, clearing many back to the old stone walls, putting in orchards, berries, etc. It's a process and very much a fun one.

I knew I wanted to do what we're doing back when I was a teenager. From there it was a matter of figuring out the path and then following it step-by-step. Each year we make progress. Much more to go. I'm not bored yet.



  Excellent ... IMHO the hardest part in life is finding the road to take ... I think you found yours.  Well done. 





Before you had Sugar Mountain Farm ... what did you do?
14 years ago
My daughter was essentially turned down today from an east coat university that offers a 'farmers apprenticeship program' ,,,,,, she is handicapped.  And apparently you need a college degree to be an apprentice on a farm 

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ...................................... What I am looking for is some support.  Not simply for my daughter (that would be way too easy) but for other kids either like my daughter (disabled) or who are disadvantaged (i.e. who don't have a silver spoon and have no chance of getting one) to set up a place to live.


I can put up the value of my house ... and remain in a steady job.  But I may need some experise/mentoring/assistance.  I have already scoped out at least two farms that I can trade in for my house (i.e. trading one mortgage for another).

Anyone interested in donating some time at some point in the future?  It doesn't have to be much but it would make all the difference in the world to the lives of these kids.  Especially since their options for post secondary employment training are pretty limited.


<edited>  Was pretty upset last night - had to explain to my daughter that she probably won't be able to do the course she had set her heart on.

















14 years ago
Truly excellent write up and great website.  You mention on the site that your farm is a 70 acre section of your land.  How much land do you have in total?  And when did you get it?  And just one other question - Did you start out as farmers by profession or were you from farming families?

Many thanks again for a great website.
14 years ago
Interesting notion.  What happens if/when you get ill? Or do you essentially rely on the people that are working full time jobs, paying bills/taxes etc to take care of you?
14 years ago