Thanks for all the comments and so promptly. We were just surprised because our fall decline in production was so profound this year. Of course last year we barely had winter here, so perhaps that spoiled us a bit from the 'norm'. We have a lot to learn but am workin' at it!

By the way, have you ever done caponizing? I have read a lot about it and even downloaded a great book(let) from a N.Y. library that gave step by step instructions and great pictures. Unfortunately I have tried twice and managed both times to get only one of my targets removed so therefore didn't avoid any of the desired results....like stop the crowing since we live in town. Didn't know what the problem was until we butchered. Am planning to try again but have to wait for more hatchlings.