Elena Carballido Marin

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8 years ago

Lori Ziemba wrote:

Alder Burns wrote:I would start with observation.  What's growing around you, in the neighborhood and the surrounding area that has a similar climate?  SF is a very odd climate, not at all similar to many other "Mediterranean" climates.  The summer coolness and fog will enable many plants to thrive for you that are quite impossible for me (in the Central Valley only three hours drive from there).  
     Establishment is always the big challenge.  If your irrigation water is limited you need to be sure to do most of your plantings during the rainy season, preferably at its onset, so that the new plants can grow lots of roots before the next drought comes in.  
    Experiment carefully with mulch.  A lot of permaculture resources treat heavy mulch as a panacea, always good.  At least in my version of the Mediterranean climate it isn't always necessarily so.  I find it creates a habitat for insects and slugs, hinders light rains from penetrating the soil, and is a fire hazard. Usually I keep it out of the annuals altogether.



I'm right at the beach.  The city stopped watering the embankment along the beach several years ago.  It had been planted with cypresses, myoporums and pittosporums, with an understory of hebes and ice plants and grass.  Since they stopped watering, everything is either dead or dying except the pittosporums, ice plants and cypresses, which are all large and well established.  During the rainy season, it can be quite lush with various weeds and grasses.  Around the hood, I see olives and eucalypts (all large) that get along without water.

So I'm stil wondering, does the real Mediterranean get any rain at all in the summer months?



Hi!

Sorry, my proper introduction is yet to be made, but please allow me to step in this thread in order to give you another answer from someone living in the... let's call it the "original" Mediterranean area since your climate is as real as ours. Short answer: yes, in many European spots we get no rain to very little rain between June and September and the temperatures during those months mean that whatever little rain we may get is evaporated very quickly.

Still, this is quite generic and as Alder Burns rightly points out, SF is quite specific from the little I have been able to observe the few days I have been there (once in late October and another time in July). That summer fog is almost surreal for me. However, it brings a picture to my mind, the fog collection mesh system they use in the Atacama desert and in other really dry places where they get fog.
Check out this video: Harvesting Fresh Water from Fog
If you watch it in YouTube, you will get plenty of other examples suggested.

Apart from taking advantage of that fog, I would follow the lessons from Brad Lancaster ("Plant the rain first"), whatever G. Lawton has done in the Jordan valley or, closer to my location, Jean Pain. Jean Pain did not just come up with the amazing compost heating system, he also managed to produce fresh vegetables without irrigation where everybody else would think "No way!". I would recommend having a look at the book his wife wrote documenting his work and tests. You can check it out here for free: Another Kind of Garden: The Methods of Jean Pain

I hope it helps

Just as a very short background info on my own setting: I got my PDC last year next to Barcelona (Spain), I purchased a piece of land, which is a three hours drive from home (real estate in the Barcelona area is way too expensive for me). That lot is a little bit further South, about 25 km (some 18 miles) from the seaside and the elevation is 330m. This means I do not get to be there for daily on site observation, and I cannot go there as often as I wish. So I have to do with what I see whenever I can go. My dream is to create a food forest. I guess my land is quite the cliché you may think of when picturing Mediterranean hills, some abandoned olive trees, a couple of almond trees and carob trees, some pine trees, thorny bushes and some rocks. Here is a picture:


To be continued in my own project thread some day  



8 years ago