Trace Oswald wrote:
Chaz Bender wrote: our inherent role is custodianship of Earth, animals and one another
I would like it very much if that were true, but I've never seen any evidence of it. Quite the opposite.
If I may, and Chaz can correct me if I'm wrong, I think the point is that humans are uniquely positioned to fill the niche of being custodians of ecosystems, intentionally using our amazing reasoning capabilities to steer the biosphere to its most fecund, abundant, and life-giving. Obviously humans have not done this, but the point is we can. We're a bit like "weeds" - good plants in the wrong place. We have a niche to fill, and we need to learn how to fill it, not overrun the yard, so to speak.
Greg Mamishian wrote:
Chaz Bender wrote:
Children by default embrace this duty of care because it's an innate thing to respond well to.
Chaz, do you mean children innately take on the duty of caring for others?
If you do... my experience of children is different in that they are innately careless.
Choosing to assume the personal responsibility of caring for others is an acquired adult trait.
One cannot build ones community through and live by the logic of private property and supreme ownership, then expect to suddenly be able to psychologically and physically transition to communal ownership.
Per my last para, I doubt that is possible in any real group. Looking at groups I have known, boards, clubs, teams... I'd say the in all of them less than 1/3 of the members actually actively contribute in a standardized fashion. - Rufus
Greg Mamishian wrote:
Chris Kott wrote:Governance is necessary not because of any kind of widespread personal failure...
Chris, yours is the overwhelmingly dominant popular collective cultural view...
...so the society we have today is a perfectly natural result of millions of other folks who share your belief.
Trace Oswald wrote:
Chaz Bender wrote:
Trace Oswald wrote:
Chaz Bender wrote:
Authority is illusory and functions entirely from consent...
I think this is a nice theory. I've never seen it in practice. In practice, it's no illusion that the penalty for ignoring authority under the best circumstances may be fines or banishment. Worse developments include imprisonment or death. I live under many, many laws I didn't consent to, except by virtue of being born here.
I don't consent to the whimsical legislation and dictations of a corporatocracy. I've lived my entire life dissenting and ignoring 'authority'... Until it came with fines - so I renounced the corporate/legal entity. No one has a higher standing then you and no one has the right to practice a right of ownership over you - if someone is, it's because you've been conned into consenting/acquiescing to it. This doesn't mean one can get about exploiting and harming without consequence; as the basis of true law, supposedly, is Do No Harm... If there's no injured person, party or property then there's no crime; thus, I'm answerable to no Wo/Man until I harm. I consider it a moral obligation to disregard unjust laws and legislation. This comes with pros and cons. 'Authorities' coercive power (in this context) is with intimidation and other forms of manipulation like you stated banishment... We shouldn't capitulate/acquiesce to terrorism. I accept banishment but only that of the commercial paradigm. I still live among living Men and Women and exchange goods and services.
Maybe Australia, or the part you live in, is much different than here. It would be very easy to test your assertions here. I could simply drive my car 100 miles per hour through the nearest town, being very careful not to hit anyone or anything. I would very quickly be pulled over by police, where I could assert my "right to travel" and explain to them that I have no need of a driver's license, license plates, insurance, or any of the other things forced upon me by the tyrannical government, and that I am answerable to no one until I harm. At that point I would be arrested, locked in jail, given a number of very significant fines, and probably psychological testing. I, of course, would continue to express myself and the fact that those government entities hold no sway over me, as is my moral obligation. I would refuse to pay their unconstitutional fines. Of course, I would be thrown in jail for doing so...
Trace Oswald wrote:
Chaz Bender wrote:
Authority is illusory and functions entirely from consent...
I think this is a nice theory. I've never seen it in practice. In practice, it's no illusion that the penalty for ignoring authority under the best circumstances may be fines or banishment. Worse developments include imprisonment or death. I live under many, many laws I didn't consent to, except by virtue of being born here.