Kim Kish

Hi, Alan.  I got on the internet the other day to search for things to read and perhaps have classmates read, about permaculture ethics, principles pertaining to disability inclusion. I ended up finding this forum, and specifically this thread. Thanks for your reply. Do you have any more thoughts to share about this issue?

Alan McGill wrote:Hi Kim,
Welcome. I got a notice about your post because I participated in the old one. What's up with you?

I would really like to talk with Joshua about this post, and to revive the thread about creating the solution.   I don't know how to really work this forum to quote/ reply/ comment, and am very brain-fogged right now.  just a little seedling reaching toward the light....  Anybody have any input?

Joshua Myrvaagnes wrote:Here's what I think is a really solvable problem but hasn't been solved yet that I knwo of.

You have people who are low energy, not healthy enough to push into the ratrace but well enough to work out in nature.  Nature is healing.  It's the Secret Garden effect.  So, if you can just get people like us started we'll get stronger in time.

I applied to live and work at a Steiner community where they take care of elderly people.  It's an awesome place, beautiful, biodyanmic farm, woods, a stream, gorgeous as f---.  And I loved the people there and the conversastions I had with the farmers, learning that only 15% of the world's arable soil is really healthy (well hopefully it's gone up a bit since then, that was like 2007).  Feeling connected, like I could relax, I'd be safe, I would be supported by the Earth rather than by the stress of a job and impressing someone else and pushing harder to be someone I'm not.  Feeling abundant and like heck, the Earth doesn't care who I am, it's supporting me unconditionally.  Really beautiful feeling.  And the fact that they said that the "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" principle was how they did things there made it really feel manageable.

So I applied to be a co-worker there (that's the term they use for the people who do the work and take care of the farm or elderly persons) and they said they needed able-bodied people only.  I was really disappointed, and I thought maybe I should apply again and lie and tell them I'm well and jsut tough it out.  But my second application I never heard back from, and it seems they could be a bit disorganized.  I gave up at the time, though I still think about applying again.  I got more into my own gardening and learning at that point though, which was an amazing experience and continues to be.  I still think though wouldn't it be great if I could pool resources? wouldn't it be great if I could just work on a farm and get my strength back?  and even better if the effort was being intelligently applied, like using permaculture brilliance rather than excessive amounts of brawn.  That would be so satisfying.

I really really feel a strong sense that I could get my health all the way back if I could work in nature--work hard, some of the time, be able to rest when I need to but push my body again.  I'm thirsty for it.  I just don't think it'd be good to promise someone and not fully deliver.

But to get back to the quesiton at hand--I'd say a way of integrating folks wtih chronic fatigue/fibromyalgia and so on is to give us an opportunity to work and also be able to rest as needed while getting our health back.  The social inclusion and opportunity to do meaningful work and connection to nature is a huge help for many a disabled/chronically ill person.

Thanks for everyone’s kind replies! I just got home from graduation night from my PDC!

Oh so sorry. I did that wrong and the whole thing ended up in a quote. Ok I will try again after some rest.

Pearl Sutton wrote:Hi Kim! Welcome to Permies!
The blue reply button posts a reply to the whole thread, it does not end up with their post, it ends up at the end of it all. The Quote button will quote their post in your post, like this

Kim Kish wrote:Hi! Thanks for your post. I am new here and trying to reply.

 

This thread last had a post in 2017. Whoever you are replying said it long ago. So put a post about your own stuff here, without the earlier people, and we'll just start talking about all this again!

I get notifications on this because I'm disabled and doing my best to live how I want to. Some days it ain't easy.  
THANK YOU PEARL FOR BEING HERE AND REPLYING!❤️❤️❤️
I STILL DON’t think I understand how to repky in the thread.



Welcome to permies, and let's start this thought back up!
:D

I am trying to reply to  Joshua Myrvaagnes’ post. I am having trouble w the site on a phone. Could anybody help get me connected?

Hi! Thanks for your post. I am new here and trying to reply.

I am new here trying to Figure out the forum. That comment was supposed to be a reply to someone else’s comment and now I can’t find their comment.

Hi, am I in yet?

Thank you for this entry! Just skimmed (Energy Limitng condition) but need to connect!