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OK this tree looks amazing. whats the catch?  RSS feed

 
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http://www.emeraldplantations.com/index.html

anyone know anything else about this tree?
 
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The catch is you can not propagate that tree, you must buy each one from the producer?

 
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It creates another monoculture?
 
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Ludi wrote:
The catch is you can not propagate that tree, you must buy each one from the producer?




Any practical reason you can't take cuttings?  Or possibly legal reasons?
 
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I think language is important, and "MegaFlora Tree's" linguistic...challenges... is enough to  make me switch off.
 
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This may be the catch.

http://megafloraplantations.com/

Whenever something looks too good to be true, it usually is.


 
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I'm curious what the hybrid cross is.  It says:
"The proprietary MegaFlora Tree ® is a hybrid-cross of the fast growing Paulownia tree with a North American hardwood tree. Effectively, the hybrid-cross tree has become a tree with a North American hardwood tree's trunk and a Paulownia tree's root system."

I wouldn't be too excited to grow something if I can't even tell what it is.  The link in the last reply is disconcerting as well.
 
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The thing to do would be to get a cutting, plant it, and see what happens. The trees are sterile, so there should be no problems with removing it if you don't like it. Anyone know of a source?
 
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I'd be willing to take a bet that these trees are not sterile and are simply Paulownia trees, like P. elongata. Paulownias are opportunists/invasives, so you need to be prepared. Paulownia x black locust = fantasy. Another scam to dupe unwary investors.
 
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Nathan Johns wrote:
I'm curious what the hybrid cross is.  It says:
"The proprietary MegaFlora Tree ® is a hybrid-cross of the fast growing Paulownia tree with a North American hardwood tree. Effectively, the hybrid-cross tree has become a tree with a North American hardwood tree's trunk and a Paulownia tree's root system."

I wouldn't be too excited to grow something if I can't even tell what it is.  The link in the last reply is disconcerting as well.



According to what I read they are crossed with black locust and they tried it with cottonwood as well.

If you read that link I posed above you can see that website is devoted to debunking this company.  There are plenty of link buttons on the top of their page to get enough info to scare anyone thinking about investing in or using these Frankentrees.

 
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Al Loria wrote:
According to what I read they are crossed with black locust and they tried it with cottonwood as well.

If you read that link I posed above you can see that website is devoted to debunking this company.  There are plenty of link buttons on the top of their page to get enough info to scare anyone thinking about investing in or using these Frankentrees.




The crossing is what gives it away. Paulownias are more related to mints (but distantly) than they are to black locusts. It's possible to get hybrid crosses between two closely related species (interspecific hybrids) and sometimes between different but closely related genera (intergeneric hybrids). Crisscrossing between Orders and Families (or Kingdoms) takes some pretty elite genetic engineering skills. I seriously doubt they did this, otherwise it would be worthy of a Nobel prize.
 
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Paulownia is more likely to hybridize with mint than it is with black locust.
 
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This is a grafting hybrid from what the website says. Paulownia onto the hardwood rootstalk. The drawback is that you have to buy the original from them and any replacement/expansion plant. Additionally it needs plenty of water, though of poor quality, and is probably not a hardy plant limiting it's range. With the hollow pithy core fuel is probably it's only use, useable timber seems unlikely.
 
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