Nial Ragnarson wrote:Hi there, I am in the Seville area of Spain, I am also intrested in doing such a project but like wise do not have the funds to get land. I have worked on several farms and permaculture projects as a volenteer in the last 4 years, including a couple of months at PermaPuebla. Depending on the land and the ground conditions there are many options for cash crops. The rent to buy idea is something I have been intrested in, but due to my poor Spanish finding recorces here is difficult for me intill my spanish improves.
For now I just have a small 10x10m allotment here in the city so at least I can continue growing some veg for myself and learn better the growing contitions here which are very different to growing in the UK. It´s giving me good experence in market garden style growing which is something that maybe linked with community supported agriculture (CSA) combined with rent to buy could help with funding the rest of the project. Even setting up some allotments to rent out could be another idea depending on the location. Around Seville there are several privete allotments that rent a 10x10 plot for 30 euros a month and a simular rent a chicken egg box scheme.
Well just a few idea that I have had, and a bit about me, have you had anymore luck yet finding anything?
Albert Schapiro wrote:
Hi Nial! Thanks for taking an interest.
I've also seen a couple of those around here, and one really small one for senior citizens inside fuengirola. I've also thought about hosting a community garden like that, just need to find an affordable property near the city.
Here's a minor update of the project: We have started renting some land outside of Cartama. It is 7700 m² for 175€/month with around 100-150 orange trees, ~10 pomegranate bushes, a couple of mandarin trees and some grape vines. It hasn't been cared for in 10 years and all of the land needs some tough love. We're still discovering a lot about the land and experimenting some. It's fun and a great learning experience.
Nial Ragnarson wrote:
Thats great news, yes always a fun learning experence, is the whole area covered with trees or is there some open space for planting and growing some veg as well, or are you looking at growing between the trees. Did you find the land via an agent or where you able to find the land owner and directly contact them. Your a little far out for regular visits from here, on my budget at least, but would be nice to come and visit sometime and see what you have going on there. All the best with it in the mean time.
Steve Farmer wrote:Do you have connection to water? Is it agricultural or potable water? How much per cubic metre? Any restrictions on how much you can use?
Regards - Steve
Albert Schapiro wrote:Hi everyone, first post here but I've been "stalking" the forum for a long time.
I and my family live in Fuengirola, Costa del Sol, moved down here from Sweden almost 2 years ago and we're looking to start a permaculture farm in the area.
We were wondering if there are more people interested in joining our venture.
We don't have enough funds to actually buy a large property at the moment. So we are looking into some other alternatives.
For example to find some large abandoned farm where the owner is nearing retirement and try to strike a deal where we rent to own. There are a lot of farms here that are going through a generation shift but no-one to take over.
There's an farm north of Almeria in the Tabernas desert, called the Perma Puebla Initiative, that has done something similar. They got a 200ha farm with a rent to own deal. They've chosen to grow CBD hemp as a cash crop on parts of the land to finance the restoration and purchase which is something we also could look into. I've been in contact with one of them and he mentioned that if we also grow CBD as a cash crop they could help us with some legalities and we could sell together in a coop to get better deals.
There are endless of possibilities but I think a project like this would benefit from several people going in as a group, working together from the start.
Let me know if you are interested in joining us, have any other ideas on how to startup a permaculture farm without funds or have any other comments.