Patty Aguayo

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Allan Babb wrote:
While I'm not in california, I am a Master Gardener. Several of us know about permaculture in my area. Just figure I'd let you know that not everyone is in the dark =p



Hi Allan,

Just curious, does your knowledge about permaculture change any of the advice you normally give as an MG? I'm just curious about that ...

I consulted with the local MG hotline and received a long email with advice to care for the tree -- trimming, horticultural oil, setting up a drip irrigation or soaker hose system, water it for several hours every month. Invite predators, set up a bird bath. Set up plants that attract the scale/aphids predators. I wonder if that's along the lines of permaculture too?

Patty
12 years ago

Leila Rich wrote:
Canopy covers the whole yard you say? So the entire 'lawn' has a tree shading it? Sounds like a great opportunity to ditch the grass, mulch the entire area and put in shade/dry tolerant plants! It can look really good. I'm a big advocate of getting rid of impractical lawns, so I'm biased...
I find comfrey, spring bulbs, alliums, columbine, calendula, clover and lots of other things do well under trees in my climate.



Thank you, Leila! Yes, your description is accurate. I'm considering making changes like this and I appreciate your input.
12 years ago
Tony, I appreciated your reply. I've been away from my computer on a busy week but wanted you to know that I found it helpful and it's given me a lot of food for thought.
12 years ago
Thank you so much everyone for your suggestions about how to restore the tree to health. And Leila, thank you for the welcome

In case it's helpful, my location is in the south Bay Area, Northern California in a suburban residential area. And my guess as to the species is (I think) the same as Leila guessed on Wikipedia - Liriodendron tulipifera, based on images of the flower and leaves. It is about two stories tall, and my best guess on its age based on the history of previous homeowners is that it is 40 years old. As for our climate, it is usually dry and hot in summertime, and it reaches 100F for a few days. Winters are mild, rarely colder than 30F. Winters and springs are wet and rainy.

1) A few years ago, my husband and I stopped maintaining and watering the lawn, telling ourselves, "let's just allow this land to be the way it's suppoesed to be." Whenever we saw a dandelion, we told ourselves, "Well that's what's supposed to grow here." And when the ground became hard and dusty, we said, "That's what the ground would usually look like in this climate." And now we are pretty attached to this tree so we are faced with a major decision whether to support this tree and give it the nourishment it needs, even if it means replicating another climate. We also want to make a balanced decision, taking into account human preferences, but also the health of the local wildlife, including birds, insects, microrganisms, etc. I know what the humans prefer but I'm not very attuned to the environment around here and don't know how to read this. I have so many questions: How does it impact the local environment to have a non-native shade tree in it? Or the same tree being there but no longer being watered? Or the same tree being infested? Or removed? Is there any scenario where it would be best to do nothing and allow the infestation and water stress to continue, and not intervene? Any wild guesses as to what would most benefit the surrounding environment? (I'm telling myself that the aphids and scale have a right to eat too. But then my understanding of all of this is so incomplete.) Does permaculture philosophy inform this -- decisions when tweaking an already established urban residential environment? Or could I be misunderstanding permaculture, maybe it is more for designing new sustainable systems from scratch? Is there any principle I can draw on like, it is usually most beneficial to support mature landscaping in urban environments because, most likely, the ecosystem has already changed to support it? Or anything like that? Hmmm ... Maybe I've misunderstood permaculture completely?

2) I'm very new to all of this and I wasn't familiar with the word dripline Leila mentioned. I read up on it and I realized that the canopy of the tree covers almost the whole yard, and the rest of our property is covered in concrete. Some sources I read said that the roots within the dripline are for support, and those outside of it are for absorbing water. Would you all agree? If yes, what might that mean for the long-term health of the tree? Will it be able to grow and keep absorbing water with all the concrete around? (Is its health going to be sustainable, or if I help it through this infestation, is it just postponing the inevitable?)

3) Finally, I have sought the advice of a local Master Gardener. Would anyone happen to know if the Master Gardener program (I think it is nationwide in the US) is informed by permaculture principles?

Thank you all for reading my questions and for your patience as I try to understand permaculture. I welcome any insight ...

Patty
12 years ago
Dear permies,

I wanted to introduce myself and request any help or perspective on this problem below. I'm Patty and I've had some exposure to gardening, organic farming, and permaculture ideas from a natural living forum I participate on but no experience or training of my own. I'm new to all of this, and what I could most use help with is understanding permaculture ideas for how to approach the following problem. I'd appreciate any gentle insight and education, and resources anyone has to share about this situation below ...

The tree in front of our house is a beloved tuliptree which has given many children shade while they play. We are very attached to this tree. A little bit naively, and wanting to be green and live sustainably, we stopped watering and maintaining our lawns for several years. We are new to gardening and lawn care (much less sustainable lawn care), and we didn't mind the dandelions and oxalis, and the original grass dying -- but we never anticipated that the trees would be affected. With some dismay, we detected an infestation late last year and thought it disappeared over the mild winters (in California here). But this year it seems to have progressed. We've been told that a water stressed tree will yield to an infestation so I make a causative link here between stopping watering and the infestation. We have resumed watering regularly, and have switched to a less frequent deep watering (learned about this from the lazy lawn care links that I found on permies.com).

My husband has posted some photos here:
http://aguayophoto.com/tree/

You'll see that there is a "hole" in the canopy of the tree now and there are some close-up shots of infested branches, as well as shiny leaves coated in honeydew. You'll also see the size of the tree (just in case this might help with ideas for how to intervene, it's such a tall tree).

Just wondering from a permaculture perspective what you might consider when faced with this. When to let it go, when to intervene, and how? What principles do you consider when doing this?

If you've read this far, thank you.

And thank you in advance for any help,
Patty
12 years ago