This is exactly what I think also. LIke the beavers, we have to destroyed others habitat to create a new one that is most suite for our needs. In that way of thinking you end up with a kind of food forest, a kind of a human vital area that include vital area of others species. We integrated ourself in the environnement much like cavemen did but with better knowledge and better tools for our quality of life and confort. By the way you are the first person who likely understand my opinion. I always talk to person who freaked out by knowing animals killed by human or other they just want a machine gun to kill evrything.
Russ White wrote:For me that is the thing that rubs me the wrong way. Of course once we have cut some thing, some thing else will grow. I am not for just leaving all alone for 75 years to see what happens. To manage we need to some times plant, some times remove. I am not sure anyone knows what is natural. If we do not have any untouched forest we can go by. I do however think it would have varied plants, with varied micro climates that promote habitat for wild life. If we consider man a natural part of the process, than man should not just say I took what I wanted from the forest, now who cares. It is my understanding of permaculture that man is part of the big picture and he should be part of the betterment of his/her environment.
I said the same thong to my wife but she doesnt laugh. You might be better anyway by enslave a cow or something else to grind you flour and maybe charge your batteries
R Scott wrote:
Lynn Woodard wrote:
R Scott wrote:A small bit to know how to do it or a loaf of bread once a week is one thing; bread for a family of 6-12 is quite another-that is not sustainable.
What's not sustainable, the large family or making bread for them? Do you understand the term "sustainable"?
I was tongue-in-cheek referencing this thread: https://permies.com/t/2549/permaculture/sustainable-means-barely-staying-ahead
The key to making a large family work is getting the kids to WORK. I have two, maybe three, kids that can turn a flour mill by hand--and they are more needed for other chores on the homestead. But I have 6 kids that can pedal one.
I dont think this is not possible on my land because a road cut it in two and I have neightbours on each sides. Just before I bought it they cut all the white spruce. I tought at first I could do it because I have a about 3 cares and a half on the other side of the river and no one else have land there. And beyond of that the forest is protect and beyond there is two zone of controlled exploitation but I heard chainsaw and atv 2 or 3 weeks ago for moose hunting. It was so close I tought they could be on my land. For the virgin forest I say that because it came to my sense it was a virgin part of the forest because this was on a plateau aside of a lake with no trail with no trunks and have all size of trees. Me and a friend just took a map to find a "secret" lake old guy told us where it was some 50 years ago. He had pretty impressive fishing in the lake. We went to the closest trail by atv in the area we tought and we walk until we cross that part of the forest. Just to mention in the same area, We found a natural saline around a dead lihgtning stoke tree use by white tail deers and mooses this was of an incridible beauty, I can even say there was something spiritual in it.
Russ White wrote:Martin
Being in a virgin forest with lots of animals must have been exciting. Did you notice what was going on there. I bet there were large trees with varied under growth. Edges where the plants change. Water supply of some kind. Mimic what you see there and you will be on right track.
Yes its a bit small to manage deer but you still can do somethings if you get wildturkey or somekind of partridge mebay rabbits too. it can be an easy way to get food with no real expenses. And if you manage it very well there is little chance for wild animals to get seriously sick because they will be in good health
Tyler Ludens wrote:We're practicing wildlife management on our 20 acres, but for songbirds and amphibians, not game animals, although we have tons of deer, 20 acres is not considered a large enough parcel to manage for them. We sort of have to manage around them, since they like to eat a lot of the native shrubs and other plants which are needed as bird habitat. Though we don't like to put up fences, we're having to put fences around small patches in order to get anything growing. We also have loads of squirrels, as well as armadillos, skunks, porcupines, raccoons, ringtails, foxes and possibly a visiting bobcat (haven't seen him yet, but the neighbors have).
Texas may be one of few, if not the only state, which grants special property tax valuation for wildlife management. It's slightly difficult for new landowners to get, as one has to practice agriculture for five out of seven years and get agricultural tax status before one can apply for wildlife management qualification, and one has to submit a fairly detailed management plan. Here are more details about it: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/landwater/land/private/agricultural_land/