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Since 2018, GOAT has brought together a diverse range of practitioners — including farmers, designers, agronomists, activists, and researchers — to advocate for more accessible software and hardware with full control going to the farmers, eaters, and everyday users. GOAT is back for 2024 and will take place during the week of Sunday, November 3rd through Friday, November 8th at Paicines Ranch in Paicines, California. The application for 2024’s gathering is LIVE and will be open until August 30th. Applicants will be notified by September 13th of their acceptance and will have until September 27th to register for the conference. We hope to see you there!
Dear Permies,

As a long-time permie myself, I am writing to invite the community to participate in GOAT, the Gathering for Open Ag Tech.

Information about our food system should be public or easy-to-share. Unfortunately, that is often not the case. Food is currently produced by a mix of private and public entities, and information about our food system can be opaque, hard-to-find, or proprietary and farmers may have limited control of the on-farm data they generate or ability to improve the tools they use.
Agricultural startups are often venture-funded, with interest veering toward capitalizing on farm data. Controlling such data, not just machines or sensors, is considered the most valuable game in town (at least in the short term). Closed data ecosystems hinder our ability to produce food equitably and sustainably and support farm level decision support.

Fortunately, there is also significant interest in creating open source hardware and software to increase transparency in the food chain, allow for data sharing among groups, and engage the public and make the benefits of shared data available to all. Though the number of projects is growing, they historically have been small, isolated within universities or small companies, and disconnected from one another. The result is duplication of efforts, hard to find projects, and disconnected parts producing incompatible data. The lack of coordination means that as technology rapidly changes, closed-source companies are locking up the machinery, sensors, data, and varieties of the future.

The GOAT community has been working since 2018 to address these issues. Today, we are inviting the larger Permaculture Community to apply to the 2022 Gathering for Open Ag Technology (GOAT), from October 2 - 7 at the Omega Institute in Rhinebeck NY.

Participants will be diverse, community-oriented, skilled and focused on progressing the open ag tech movement. Farmers, farm advisors, and food system enthusiasts are especially welcome! We especially want this group at the conference to help inform the GOAT community of the lived experiences and needs of the Permaculture Community with regards to ag and food system technology. The goals of this year’s conference are to address:

Maintenance - We need to be thinking about how to turn one-off tech building efforts (including low and slow tech) into maintainable longer term projects.
Usability - If we don’t include diverse peoples in our community, including PERMIES, our tools will always suffer from usability, and we will continue to build tools that only work for big (Ag) hands.
Governance - Attention and intention are required to transition GOAT from a point-in-time event to an evolving community that supports GOAT’s goals and to sustain the momentum. We need to work toward a community-agreed upon governance structure that meets the needs and reflects the values of the community.

GOAT is following the example of the Gathering for Open Science Hardware (GOSH) movement, coordinating the efforts of participants to create a clear mission and roadmap to pursue common goals.

If you also believe the technologies that produce our food (including low-tech!) and the data about our food system should be public and open source, please apply now. More details about GOAT 2022 can be found on our website. Travel and registration awards available for in-need applicants.

Sincerely,

🐐 The GOAT organizing team (Ankita, Greg, Jamie, Juliet, Laurie, and Sebastian)

PS - If you can’t go, please pass this invite along through your networks!


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Apply to the Gathering for Open Ag Tech (GOAT!), Oct 2 - 7, in Rhinebeck NY - https://forms.gle/Gndni6Za2Mx6eHnc8.

Open Source + Ag + Tech - there's a (un)conference for that - goatech.org
Apply to the Gathering for Open Ag Tech (GOAT!), Oct 2 - 7, in Rhinebeck NY - https://forms.gle/Gndni6Za2Mx6eHnc8.

Applications are open for GOAT 2022 (Oct 2-7). Developers, designers, researchers, farmers, and enthusiasts - apply now and find your herd: https://forms.gle/54BSwacLt3EQmyat6
Hi Mike, sorry for the delay. Work deadlines and bugs with the forum have delayed this response much longer than I wanted! Per your request I’ve provided for you the most recent depiction of our schema in the attached pdf. It is a little bit out of date, but the changes are trivial. A little bit of background:

This schema was planned for a single, specific location part Central Florida, and is being expanded for Orange County, CA. For the time being, our intention is for the databases for each location to remain separate, but share a similar schema. This decision was based on discussions of permies in CFL about use of “general database” not being specialized enough for our very unique climate. As the application is developed we will reevaluate this design choice and determine if a different route of action is better suited.

Let me know if you have any questions.
12 years ago
Hey Dave,

Can you repost that onto the Permaculture Information Technology thread?

I thank you kindly.

Juliet
12 years ago
Thank you Mike, that is a great suggestion. I've done that and it can be seen here.
12 years ago
Howdy,

This thread is a branch from Modularizing Permaculture: The Lego Method to discuss what information technology exists or is currently being developed by permies for permies. Much of the discussion so far has been on databases, but there is also some information on existing design applications.

The information below was initially posted on the thread above, but should now be discussed here. That thread is now being reserved for the non-technical discussion of modularizing permaculture.

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I suppose first off we should have everybody post exactly what they've accomplished so far and what their end goals are. The reason I say this is because many of us have started down a similar path, but where we wind up might be quite different. Although this may be the case, we have a lot of common needs, specifically in regard to a database.

For example, I'm not sure what Mike Hagar's database looks like, but I need a database that essentially represents the functional analysis of a plant. As such, Practical Plants has an infrastructure that seems to be aligned with mine. This has been echoed by others in the forum to be a preferred way to organize the data. So what I need is contact with Andru Vallance and access to the practical plant API.

On another note, I quite support Mike Hagar's comment about the internet not being a reliable resource. We're concerned with sustainability, and as such we should be applying permaculture principles to how we're designing technology for our community... right?! So, in the case of collapse or crisis our technology should continue to be useful... we can call it adaptable, and in the mean time we should be working together to achieve as much good as possible. I can see we're on track and that makes me quite happy.

Ok, so lets get to work. I propose each of us who are already developing some form of information technology list what their goals are, what their application specs are, and what progress we've made.

Given this information we will be equipped with the knowledge to align our forces in the most beneficial and effective ways.

I'll go first:

GOAL STATEMENT:

My goal is to create a tool that helps users organize and visualize the information needed to plan a perennial guilds / small-scale food forests for surburban settings in effort to rip out the lawns and put in edible and sustainable landscapes.

A lesser goal, although also important, is for this to be robust enough and well thought out enough to serve as my PhD dissertation research in computer science. It should be noted that development of such an application is worthy of several dissertation projects, so collaboration with all of you fits perfectly with in this requirement.


SPECIFICATIONS:
1. Suggests plants / rule plants out : this was a request of some of our senior permies and permie educators. Their reasoning was so that students and newbies had it as an aide / learning tool. Furthermore, it could encourage seasoned designers be variable in their plant selection, not automatically defaulting to their go-to species. Suggesting plants and ruling them out are dictated by the constraints of the site and the clients needs, as well as the key species that support the users needs.... you all know the drill.
2. Visualize client / user needs fulfillment in design process : This goes with the point made above.
3. Instruction on the permaculture principles : For those who come across this who aren't permaculture designers, they're gonna need to know why they're doing what they're doing.
4. Design canvas : This is the meat and potatoes. Complete with ability to modularize designs, visualize site analysis, and of course place plants for a design.
5. Collaborative Opportunity : Need to see what your neighbor has done so that you have added context to your design. Although whats over the fence may be out of sight, it should not be out of mind. Furthermore, there should be ability to borrow components of other's designs. Again, why require people re-create the wheel.
6. Produce an implementation plan

There are a lot more details to our design, but these are the big requirements.

PROGRESS:
1. Database designed, but little data inserted. On hold to see if we could grab data from another resource.. then we found practical plants! I'm waiting for a response from Tiny Mighty.
2. Prototype of canvas up and running - presently using javascript and html5. Runs in browser, doesn't require internet, but is augmented with data from internet. Basically it is better if you have the internet then if you don't. Not a big surprise there. Currently developing means to create a visual site analysis.
3. Interaction design for guild/food forest design underway. This is the stuff that decides how the design process goes down in the application.

I can already see several differences between my app and what some may want. For example, I'm not including animals for production purposes (human needs) because my scope is for suburban sprawl places which are already battling home owners association that forbid the growth of food in the front yard. I can very much see my envisioned application being expanded to incude animals, but because we're only five people right now just working with plants is plenty. Collaboration could change that.

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In summary, we're still early in our development, but our team of 5 here at UC Irvine is working on it and each week we make a good amount of leeway. We're on schedule to keep this up through the end of March, then start back up in late April. As I said above, I'd love to collaborate with anybody who has already started working on something like this or wants to get involved. I'm not eager to re-make parts of technology that people have already essentially built, but instead I'd like to apply your efforts to achieve a greater goal and thank you tremendously for playing your part.

I look forward to seeing everybody's explicit goal, specifications, and progress.

Juliet
12 years ago
EDIT: THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY PART OF THIS THREAD HAS BEEN MOVED.

Hi Joe,


I suppose first off we should have everybody post exactly what they've accomplished so far and what their end goals are. The reason I say this is because many of us have started down a similar path, but where we wind up might be quite different. Although this may be the case, we have a lot of common needs, specifically in regard to a database.

For example, I'm not sure what Mike Hagar's database looks like, but I need a database that essentially represents the functional analysis of a plant. As such, Practical Plants has an infrastructure that seems to be aligned with mine. This has been echoed by others in the forum to be a preferred way to organize the data. So what I need is contact with Andru Vallance and access to the practical plant API.

On another note, I quite support Mike Hagar's comment about the internet not being a reliable resource. We're concerned with sustainability, and as such we should be applying permaculture principles to how we're designing technology for our community... right?! So, in the case of collapse or crisis our technology should continue to be useful... we can call it adaptable, and in the mean time we should be working together to achieve as much good as possible. I can see we're on track and that makes me quite happy.

Ok, so lets get to work. I propose each of us who are already developing some form of information technology list what their goals are, what their application specs are, and what progress we've made.

Given this information we will be equipped with the knowledge to align our forces in the most beneficial and effective ways.

I'll go first:

GOAL STATEMENT:

My goal is to create a tool that helps users organize and visualize the information needed to plan a perennial guilds / small-scale food forests for surburban settings in effort to rip out the lawns and put in edible and sustainable landscapes.

A lesser goal, although also important, is for this to be robust enough and well thought out enough to serve as my PhD dissertation research in computer science. It should be noted that development of such an application is worthy of several dissertation projects, so collaboration with all of you fits perfectly with in this requirement.


SPECIFICATIONS:
1. Suggests plants / rule plants out : this was a request of some of our senior permies and permie educators. Their reasoning was so that students and newbies had it as an aide / learning tool. Furthermore, it could encourage seasoned designers be variable in their plant selection, not automatically defaulting to their go-to species. Suggesting plants and ruling them out are dictated by the constraints of the site and the clients needs, as well as the key species that support the users needs.... you all know the drill.
2. Visualize client / user needs fulfillment in design process : This goes with the point made above.
3. Instruction on the permaculture principles : For those who come across this who aren't permaculture designers, they're gonna need to know why they're doing what they're doing.
4. Design canvas : This is the meat and potatoes. Complete with ability to modularize designs, visualize site analysis, and of course place plants for a design.
5. Collaborative Opportunity : Need to see what your neighbor has done so that you have added context to your design. Although whats over the fence may be out of sight, it should not be out of mind. Furthermore, there should be ability to borrow components of other's designs. Again, why require people re-create the wheel.
6. Produce an implementation plan

There are a lot more details to our design, but these are the big requirements.

PROGRESS:
1. Database designed, but little data inserted. On hold to see if we could grab data from another resource.. then we found practical plants! I'm waiting for a response from Tiny Mighty.
2. Prototype of canvas up and running - presently using javascript and html5. Runs in browser, doesn't require internet, but is augmented with data from internet. Basically it is better if you have the internet then if you don't. Not a big surprise there. Currently developing means to create a visual site analysis.
3. Interaction design for guild/food forest design underway. This is the stuff that decides how the design process goes down in the application.

I can already see several differences between my app and what some may want. For example, I'm not including animals for production purposes (human needs) because my scope is for suburban sprawl places which are already battling home owners association that forbid the growth of food in the front yard. I can very much see my envisioned application being expanded to incude animals, but because we're only five people right now just working with plants is plenty. Collaboration could change that.

---
In summary, we're still early in our development, but our team of 5 here at UC Irvine is working on it and each week we make a good amount of leeway. We're on schedule to keep this up through the end of March, then start back up in late April. As I said above, I'd love to collaborate with anybody who has already started working on something like this or wants to get involved. I'm not eager to re-make parts of technology that people have already essentially built, but instead I'd like to apply your efforts to achieve a greater goal and thank you tremendously for playing your part.

I look forward to seeing everybody's explicit goal, specifications, and progress.

Juliet
12 years ago
Howdy!

I've just stumbled across this thread and thought that I should introduce myself as I'm working on something very similar. I've been a lurker of permies in the past, but this is my first post.

I am Juliet Norton from Orlando, Florida and I'm quite involved in our delightful permaculture community. I took my PDC as I was starting grad school for computer science at UCF and have incorporated my love for permaculture into my dissertation. In our local permaculture community we spoke about the need for organized data and even for design tool to especially help those who are just getting started. As was discussed on this thread, the giant database and organization of this content is a non-trivial problem - but perfect for a dissertation. Long story short a really cool Informatics professor at University of California Irvine has me working with him and four of his researchers on creating a prototype of this by the end of March.

Although we have lots of specs from the Orlando Permaculture community, I'd love to fold in requests that you guys have too. I see that you guys have a general list of requirements, most of which we're already incorporating, but if you guys are actively building on this and want to collaborate then lets get in touch!

My email is julietnorton@gmail.com

-- Juliet
12 years ago