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I am planning to build a Geodesic Green House with half or the wider button being 5-6 ft underground or so. I am also planning on using a Rocket Mass Stove to heat it up. I have here a picture of a rough draw on the plans and placement of the Rocket Stove and the areas to which would be heated up evenly. This is not final, but a simple pattern I could only think of that could evenly disturb heat in a circular greenhouse.10 ft is not the final but will be a template so that simple times it for larger scale.

I am free for any suggestion of better ways to have even distribution of heat in a dome. I was told to heat up the air would be better since it would heat up the soil and it being 5 ft along with button walls being black and with materials or resources to absorb and release heat. But one of the things I wonder is how long/large the pipe or stove should be for the dome? with it being underground what would be the perfect way to get ride of the co2 and all?

The purpose of this topic would be to have even heat distribution while taking into the account of the possibility of making a larger rocket stove. Anything else is secondary, Thank You!
6 years ago
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allen lumley wrote:Jonthue Michel : Welcome to Permies, and a Big Welcome to the 'Rocket' And 'Wood Stoves' Forum threads.You have asked good questions, But the Answers all
start with It depends! And with ~25,000~ Fellow Members world wide, The responses you get will very Widely ,if not Wildly -depending on the Members
experience and background.

Cindy Mathieu Has probably expressed the core of the issues correctly, and in many fewer words,For what its worth, here are a few more ! Her Rocket Mass Heater
models are greatly Transportable, With perhaps the best reassembly at a new location, and serve their purpose well, I wonder if that is what you meant by
Portable !

A quick definition of terms, A Rocket Stove, is a Cooking Stove while there are adaptations of the basic Rocket Stove which Have a Chimney as an Built-in part of
the "Rocket Stove" This is a Rather advanced build, something to be created as an advanced project following a set of builders plans, Experience with reading
plans, Tin Smithing and even simple welding are required with most models. Again The Models mentioned By Cindy Mathieu are commercial models, and that work
has been done for you !

A stove inside a tent requires a chimney and the fitting to the tent of An insulated Round 'Thimble or Jack' that the hot exhaust /smoke pipe must past through,
The safe clearance around the Rocket Stove is such that you would need a 'Wall Tent' Aproximately 10' X 12', more if you have not previously used any type of
wood fired Stove in a Tent.

For cooking outside of a tent There are Simple Rocket stoves requiring no more than a #10 soup can, and a 3-4'' elbow, insulated with wood ashes and sand.
Examples of these simple Stoves are to be found on You Tube, Again Let me caution you that these are usually regarded as Emergency or preparedness or
camping type stove for cooking off grid and not as a replacement for any Full sized cook stove, ether Gas electric or wood !

Rocket Mass Heaters, Which have evolved from the Humble Rocket Stove, Can Not generally be considered portable, Except by car or Canoe/Boating type campers,
and the few models that are portable are made of metal and are under-insulated around the Fire box, Combustion Chamber and will not last much beyond a single
heating Season!

The Rocket Mass Heater that has earned the Attention it has garnered, Is Designed primarily to be a permanent insulation, for heating core areas of your house,
andis constructed as a Piece of Built in furniture mostly out of Cob/Adobe and stone Is a simple D.I.Y. Project usually Taking less than a week, redly made from
mostly Scrounged materials, with cost of a few hundred dollars or less, and will performs well and last as long as a Masonry type of stove costing Thousands, if
not 10s of thousands, With Advanced Masonry Skills mastered be fore completion of such a project !

Two Recommendations :

Because there is so much Crap on the You Tube Site, (peer review is usually blocked -leading to unsafe practices being Touted ! )While I am sending you to a specific
site on You Tube Please question everything you see there unless sent there by someone trusted !

Goto www.youtube.com/user/villagevideo , on the 1st page you will see a grouping of Video clips Related to a specific build, The Label Reads :

Rocket Mass Heater Scenes Click on the Play button just to the Right !

This will load, and play in the correct order, a series of video clips that together make up 3/8s of A D.V.D. Of an upscale Rocket Mass Heater Build by Ernie And Erica
Wisner the Moderators for the Rocket and Wood Stoves Forums.

After you have seen that 3/8ths of what most of your fellow members consider a Rocket Stove Installation You can purchase that D.V.D. From the Village Video.org site
to watch at your pleasure.

My other Recommendation is to go to Rocketstoves.com to Download a copy of "Rocket Mass Heaters" Now out as a brand new 3rd Edition.

With over ~100,000~ Rocket Mass Heaters Made World wide This is " The Book '' That is Responsible for Most of them, and over 955 of all the 1st time Builds
(that worked! ) This will allow you to come back here to Permies, and in asking future questions, be able to use the same terms to identify parts, part sizing, and
orientation of the parts as they fit together ! " The Book " will also safe you Time, money, and frustration -because all of the information is in one location in an easy
to follow format !

As always, your Questions and comments are solicited and Welcome, For the Good of the Crafts ! Big AL !

6 years ago
TY I appreciate your response. My desire is that I maybe able to carry the heating unit from place to place and with it of course being light in weight or so, small enough to carry and good enough to heat up at least for a night session. I am aware of the stuff online and do find it confusing on where to start. I am a missionary intern so I little have less then 20 dollars to spend on a model with no welding skills.

allen lumley wrote:Jonthue Michel : Welcome to Permies, and a Big Welcome to the 'Rocket' And 'Wood Stoves' Forum threads.You have asked good questions, But the Answers all
start with It depends! And with ~25,000~ Fellow Members world wide, The responses you get will very Widely ,if not Wildly -depending on the Members
experience and background.

Cindy Mathieu Has probably expressed the core of the issues correctly, and in many fewer words,For what its worth, here are a few more ! Her Rocket Mass Heater
models are greatly Transportable, With perhaps the best reassembly at a new location, and serve their purpose well, I wonder if that is what you meant by
Portable !

A quick definition of terms, A Rocket Stove, is a Cooking Stove while there are adaptations of the basic Rocket Stove which Have a Chimney as an Built-in part of
the "Rocket Stove" This is a Rather advanced build, something to be created as an advanced project following a set of builders plans, Experience with reading
plans, Tin Smithing and even simple welding are required with most models. Again The Models mentioned By Cindy Mathieu are commercial models, and that work
has been done for you !

A stove inside a tent requires a chimney and the fitting to the tent of An insulated Round 'Thimble or Jack' that the hot exhaust /smoke pipe must past through,
The safe clearance around the Rocket Stove is such that you would need a 'Wall Tent' Aproximately 10' X 12', more if you have not previously used any type of
wood fired Stove in a Tent.

For cooking outside of a tent There are Simple Rocket stoves requiring no more than a #10 soup can, and a 3-4'' elbow, insulated with wood ashes and sand.
Examples of these simple Stoves are to be found on You Tube, Again Let me caution you that these are usually regarded as Emergency or preparedness or
camping type stove for cooking off grid and not as a replacement for any Full sized cook stove, ether Gas electric or wood !

Rocket Mass Heaters, Which have evolved from the Humble Rocket Stove, Can Not generally be considered portable, Except by car or Canoe/Boating type campers,
and the few models that are portable are made of metal and are under-insulated around the Fire box, Combustion Chamber and will not last much beyond a single
heating Season!

The Rocket Mass Heater that has earned the Attention it has garnered, Is Designed primarily to be a permanent insulation, for heating core areas of your house,
andis constructed as a Piece of Built in furniture mostly out of Cob/Adobe and stone Is a simple D.I.Y. Project usually Taking less than a week, redly made from
mostly Scrounged materials, with cost of a few hundred dollars or less, and will performs well and last as long as a Masonry type of stove costing Thousands, if
not 10s of thousands, With Advanced Masonry Skills mastered be fore completion of such a project !

Two Recommendations :

Because there is so much Crap on the You Tube Site, (peer review is usually blocked -leading to unsafe practices being Touted ! )While I am sending you to a specific
site on You Tube Please question everything you see there unless sent there by someone trusted !

Goto www.youtube.com/user/villagevideo , on the 1st page you will see a grouping of Video clips Related to a specific build, The Label Reads :

Rocket Mass Heater Scenes Click on the Play button just to the Right !

This will load, and play in the correct order, a series of video clips that together make up 3/8s of A D.V.D. Of an upscale Rocket Mass Heater Build by Ernie And Erica
Wisner the Moderators for the Rocket and Wood Stoves Forums.

After you have seen that 3/8ths of what most of your fellow members consider a Rocket Stove Installation You can purchase that D.V.D. From the Village Video.org site
to watch at your pleasure.

My other Recommendation is to go to Rocketstoves.com to Download a copy of "Rocket Mass Heaters" Now out as a brand new 3rd Edition.

With over ~100,000~ Rocket Mass Heaters Made World wide This is " The Book '' That is Responsible for Most of them, and over 955 of all the 1st time Builds
(that worked! ) This will allow you to come back here to Permies, and in asking future questions, be able to use the same terms to identify parts, part sizing, and
orientation of the parts as they fit together ! " The Book " will also safe you Time, money, and frustration -because all of the information is in one location in an easy
to follow format !

As always, your Questions and comments are solicited and Welcome, For the Good of the Crafts ! Big AL !

6 years ago

Cindy Mathieu wrote:"Portable" & "Mass" are somewhat contradictory.

Another element which makes portability difficult is the necessity for a chimney. Do you want to move the portable rocket heater between the bedroom and the tent? This part of your question is not clear.

Dragon Heaters has a portable rocket heater which radiates most of its heat from the steel drum. This means that there is not very much heat left to warm a mass. I have attached a picture of the powder-coated boxes. It comes with the combustion system which goes inside; you furnish the steel drum and the chimney.

An optional cast dense refractory "barrel cap" supplies some mass; it weighs 70 pounds.



Yes. Take it on the go or so rather then stationary. Is it possible I can use cheaper perhaps materials I can easily find and buy?
6 years ago
I want to know if there are any ways I build a portable rocket mass stove for a tent and safe enough for a bed room or so. TY!
6 years ago