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Devaka started programming with Pascal and BASIC languages when he was 13, and he has been coding with Java since 2003. Devaka got his bachelor's in computer science from the University of Moratuwa, and currently holds SCJP, SCWCD, and SCBCD certifications. He is mostly known as the author of ExamLab , which is a popular exam simulator for SCJP certification.
When he is not wrangling with his JavaEE and enterprise projects, he likes to play with sneaky web application security stuff.
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Hmmm... the fix would be to exclude private forums from zero replies.

I'll do that.
Judith,

I think I fixed it. Can you please check that forum again?
This program is for:
  • folks that wish to build hands on knowledge and experience
  • folks that have experience with other rural programs and like this style better
  • folks that long for community living
  • folks that are done with the rat race and wish to live here forever
  • folks that have a dream of homesteading someday, but they would like to get a feel of whether it is really for them.
  • folks that have a powerful need to hang out and do permaculture/homesteading stuff with like minded folks for a while.
  • folks that are bonkers about permaculture and want to build good things rather than be angry at bad guys.
  • folks that know about what all we are trying to do here, and wish to throw their shoulder in to see it happen.

April 2018:  there are currently openings.




Experiences include:

       - growing food, organic and better

                * using techniques that replace irrigation with permaculture

                      - hugelkultur
                      - mulching
                      - polyculture
                      - lots of taprooted species started from seed (instead of transplanting)
                      - building rich soil
                      - raising humidity for more morning dew
                      - terraces, berms, TEFA
                      - paddock shift systems
                      - diversity and edge
                      - strategic shade
                      - food forests and perennial systems

       - natural building

                * roundwood timber framing
                * wofati
                * cob, straw bale, slip straw
                * junkpole fence
                * willow feeder
                * natural plasters
                * earthen floors
                * green woodworking
                * conventional carpentry

       - alternative energy

                * rocket mass heaters (we currently have 12 operating rocket mass heaters)
                * solar - PV, experience using 12v vs. inverter systems
                * solar - food dehydrator
                * haybox cooker
                * rocket stoves, rocket cooktops, rocket griddles, rocket ovens, rocket kiln and slow cooker

       - food preservation

                * solar drying
                * fermenting
                * canning

       - earthworks, ponds, water management

       - more.  much, much more.


permaculture interns internship wwoof

Five days a week would be:

     7:00am - Everybody starts making breakfast.
     7:50am - Everybody has eaten and cleaned up.
     8:00am - On the job
     Noon - Everybody makes lunch.
     12:50pm - Everybody has eaten and cleaned up.
     1:00pm - On the job
     5:00pm - Everybody starts making dinner.
     7:00pm - Everybody has eaten and cleaned up.

That's 40 hours per week working on projects.  Most of this work is something interesting to people interested in Permaculture.  Some of this work is simply chores that need to be done.

permaculture apprentice interns

Come for a few days or a week

This is just for dipping your toes in and getting a feel for it. You might love it, or you might hate it. If you’re not sure whether a longer commitment is for you, this is the best place to start. Experience natural building, gardening, wildcrafting, green woodworking, rocket mass heaters, hugelkultur, earthworks and more. See how you feel about the seriously hard work involved.


Come for weeks, months or years

Build your skills to the point that you can build your own shelter and create your own permaculture paradise.   After a month or two, we will set you up with your own acre to play with.  After two years in the bootcamp, we will give you "deep roots" - a lifetime of rent on an acre. 


permaculture internship


a little jingle in your pocket

After a few weeks (once fred thinks you can do stuff on your own), we can arrange some bounties for coin.   Maybe something that would bring in about $100 to $200 per month.  This would be above and beyond the regular bootcamp hours. 


Some things to keep in mind

Food staples will be provided, although it is hoped that boots will eventually provide food for themselves and future boots by setting up garden systems.

Either party can end this relationship at any time.

The 40 hours per week is called "project labor".   All boots are expected to chip in to the cooking for the boots and cleaning up after the boots.  Plus four to eight hours per week of "nest labor" that would include shoveling snow, deep cleaning, maintenance, garden harvesting ...  things of short term benefit to the boots.  (planting a garden to feed people months into the future falls into "project labor", harvesting from a garden to feed yourself and other boots in the next few days falls into "nest labor")

Limit of six boots at any time.


permaculture intern wwoof


An interview with people that had been in the bootcamp program, about the bootcamp program



audio only


Bits and bobs that might be of interest to new boots:

A summary of all things Wheaton Labs
ant village
deep roots
the Wheaton Labs forum
177 hours of video of the 2017 PDC and ATC
The 2018 Homesteaders Permaculture Design Course
The 2018 Peasant PDC
The 2018 Appropriate Technology Course


wwoof intern


How to become a Boot


To get in, you must pay the non-refundable fee of $100.   (reminder, this is a drug and tobacco free campus)

This paypal thing takes plastic and a bunch of other stuff:


How many people are coming to wheaton labs?
Buy Now



If you are into bitcoin: 177pNU2a9iCpUXQwXX9EbtA2UwZpgeqcMT

Once we receive payment, we will contact you to start sorting out the particulars.

First come, first served. Once the permaculture bootcamp program is full, we will start a waiting list.  In other words, if you send money when the bootcamp is full, we will continue to fondle your money until there is an opening for you.  We will try to keep this thread updated on whether there are currently openings.



FAQ



7:00 in the morning is a little too early.  Can we start a little later?

Yes, you can start at 7:50am, but you won't get any breakfast.



I'm just really not a morning person.   I would prefer that we start at a time more like 10 or 11.  Surely we can do that and it can all be worked out. ??

I think you would like ant village better.   You rent a plot and live your life according to whatever schedule you prefer. 

Or maybe you would like our Sepper program - rent a structure here and join in on bootcamp activities whenever you feel like it. 

I guess the bootcamp is for people that are cool with being a morning person or are feeling like they would like to have more structure in their lives.  A lot of homesteaders and farmers work 12 to 16 hours a day starting at 5am.  And they work seven days a week.   So this is already a lot easier than that.



I enjoy weed once in a while, how can I enjoy my weed and still be respectful to your weed-free campus thing?

I suspect a few people have done that.   They go on road trips to washington state for a weekend.  That way they aren't bringing any here.


farm intern


Can I bring my kids?

We have had people with kids here and it has worked great.  And we have had people with kids here and it was a mess.  So I guess it thoroughly depends on you and your kids.

The first element to figure out:  With one person, there is 1 unit of work and 1 unit of resources consumed.   With a couple with three kids, there is one unit of work and 5 units of resources consumed.   We did have a lovely family of five here last year, and it worked great.  The deal they worked out was that they would provide all of the food for all five people.  The parents took really good care of the kids and the kids were super respectful.   It worked great. 

And we have had people that thought my house was "unsupervised child storage" and the children would destroy my house and the parents would say "yeah, kids do that - you should child proof your house."


(Brooks was great - here he is acting as a biological sawdust control unit)



Can I pay the $100 now and hold a spot for the future?

Sort of.  If you are ready to come out and there are openings, then yes - that all worked out great.   But if you say "I'm ready to come out next week" and we are full, then we will say "we will let you know when a spot opens up."



If I come out and decide it is too hard, can I leave?

Yup.  No problem.





Can I get a ride from the airport (or bus station)?

Yup.  At this time, a one way ride during normal hours is $15 and during crazy hours is $35.

And if you are giving somebody a ride, wheaton labs subsidizes the rides for $20 each way.   So if you give somebody a ride, you end up with $35 for normal hours and $55 during weird hours.


When i am there, can I use a vehicle sometimes?

Yes.  Sorta.  Sometimes recycling needs to go to town or other errands in town need to be done.   If you have a valid drivers license and won't crash my stuff, then the trade is that you run the errands and you get free use of a rig.  Just fill it up in town.    And if there are no errands to be run - stuff can often times be figured out (some other sort of exchange, or somebody else with a rig can give you a ride, etc.)   In the end, it seems that we haven't had a shortage in this department in the past.


If I'm there working as a boot, can I hang out for the workshops?

Sorta.   Usually, you'll be working during the workshops.   (Unless you did a bootcamp trade for a workshop - in which case you are a student and not a boot during the workshop)  As you work during the workshop, a lot of the work that needs to be done involves the workshop.   So you kinda get to be hip deep in the event as it happens.  



I heard that you are a monstrous douchebag asshole, so why on earth would I want to subject myself to that?

First, I need to point out my writings on "Wheaton's Law of Reflective Douchebaggery." (and something similar: "Don't be a Dick; Be a Dick")  Which is a euphamistic way of saying "I am glad to be labeled as awful by such awful people."  I seem to have caught the attention of a few million people.  Many people contact me and tell me how I have to live my life.   I say "no thank you."  They then proceed to tell me "obey or else"  and it turns out that "or else" is that they will call me names. 

So now you have a cheap and sleazy squabble.  My word against the word of thousands of others.  Surely, if we were to make decisions as if this were a democracy, then the crowds win.  In fact, the number of people telling me how to live my life "or else" is so massive, that I created this thread several years ago.  Another. Here's "Paul Wheaton is Impossible to Work With."  If you want, I bet I can find a dozen more threads like those.

The important thing is that every wicked thing said about me is utterly true - from a certain set of standards.  And these expressions make it clear that my standards are different from those standards.  Hence the ... uh ...  frustration? 

So I do as much as I can to share my values.   That way, dumbfucks people with values different from mine, will choose to not come here.  And the very few people with values similar to mine think I am fucking awesome and they very much like the idea of coming here. 

I think the best way to get an idea of what I'm like is with my podcasts.   But a lot of people have told me that this video of me giving a keynote presentation is pretty helpful:



If the people that are telling you that I'm a douchebag appear to have lovely values, then definitely don't come here.   If their values seem questionable, then I suggest you do your research about me before coming out. 


Do you live under a ten foot thick block of ice through the winter?

This last winter, the ground was bare quite a lot.  Snow would fall and then melt off.  I'm not sure if we even had one day where the temperature got below zero. More details here.



Can you tell me more about the food?

We provide staples like oats, flour, beans and rice, peanut butter, bread, eggs, coconut oil, fruits and vegetables ...  all organic or better.  So vegans are well covered.  Vegetarians are probably pretty happy.  Folks keen on meat will either need to bring their own or read the section "a little jingle in your pocket".  No problems with cooking meat here, but we generally aren't providing it for the boots.  Although we do get a lot of awesome company coming through and they will often bring meaty-bits.   More on food in the bootcamp here.


permaculture intern projects


I am looking at the "boot to ant" program.  After four months do I have to keep working in the bootcamp program?

Nope.  In fact, I suspect that you will then spend all of your time working on your own plot.  Maybe you will want to continue with the bootcamp program in winter to cover your rent for a future year.  Or maybe, some day, get deep roots.



Are there animal systems there now?

We have had residents with their own animals in the past.  Cattle, goats, pigs, chickens, ducks, etc.   I choose to not raise animals myself until the animals can get 90% of their food from what we grow and we have a paddock shift system in place.   Otherwise, the deer and wild turkey obliterate all that we try to grow.  

As I write this, there are bees at the bee hut and there are some paddocks created and some under construction.  This could be the year when have permanent animal systems started for all the boots that are passing through.



Can I call you and talk to you for a few hours about my mom's cat, Miss Stephanie?

No.



How about if I call you and talk to you about being a boot and I don't mention the cat?

We used to do this sort of thing and we still ended up hearing about way too many cats.  "And as long as I got you on the phone ..."   So what we do now is:

A:  ask you to please post your questions to this thread.

B:  once you have paid the gapper fee, then we know you are serious.  If you really need to have a phone chat, you will be able to talk to Fred.

C:  once in a long, long while, a person needs to ask a question via email instead of a forum for a very good reason.   In that case, I ask that you can contact fred.



Is this a permaculture internship program?

A permaculture internship would require an affiliation with a university.  Probably with the university ag school.  And nearly every ag school is on the leash of a chem-ag company.  And we don't want any part of that.  So we are proud so say that this is definitely NOT an internship.   Outside of that, I suppose there might be some similarities between this program and an internship program. 



Is this a permaculture apprentice program?

An apprentice program is going to guide somebody toward a trade where they will eventually make a greater income because of years of experience.  While it might be possible that some boots would think of it that way and, therefore, think of this as something that smells like "a permaculture apprentice program", the end goal is more like what is described in the article are there millions of permaculture millionaires where the hero, Gert, has a small home with a large garden and fully realized the permaculture dream.  Not of working 40 hours a week in a trade, but in having a fully symbiotic relationship with nature.  That said, within the natural building world, there are apprentices and the bootcamp does include a huge amount of natural building.  But our mission is to guide people to building their own stuff, rather than turning it into a job. 



How does this compare to the WWOOF program?

Nearly all WWOOF stuff is seasonal.  During the warm months.  So when the fall rolls around, it is time to move on.  While people can be part of the bootcamp seasonally, we hope it will eventually fill up with people that are seeking a very long term experience - ending with an acre of land here and living here for decades. 

Most WWOOF sites are not as intent as we are with natural building.

Most WWOOF sites are not as intent as we are about permaculture gardening techniques like hugelkultur and polyculture. 

A lot of WWOOF programs are about pulling weeds.  We have a lot more natural building and developing a relationship with "weeds".

So I guess the bootcamp program would appeal to folks looking at wwoofing.  I like to think that what we are offering is far better than any of the wwoof offerings in many ways.  Richer experiences, the potential to stay very long term.   Some boots get a full ride to PDCs and other workshops.  Some boots get an acre of their own to play with. 


Why don't you just pay people to do this work?

We have run the math a few dozen times.  Every time we see that it would be cheaper for us to simply pay a pro to do this stuff.  But our greater missions include:

     - infect more brains with permaculture stuff

     - build community

And the biggest mission of this property:   grow the future leaders of permaculture.   To do that, we need to find people that have not yet bonded to a piece of land, teach them permaculture, hope that they stick around for decades, eventually teach and expand what permaculture means.  It all starts with people that are interested in building permaculture experiences.




If you have any more questions, please ask in this thread.
3 weeks ago
There have been some changes to the gift feature lately.

Can you please go to the following link and enter the email address of the person who should receive the gift?
https://permies.com/forums/paidTopic/showGift/44
I'm trying to see how the ideologies being discussed here would apply to someone who runs a website. Let's say an e-commerce website. Maybe a website that offers an innovative web-based software tool that makes computing heck a lot easier - something that everyone is dying to get.

I get so much traffic every second that I badly need more server power to sustain. I live in Sri Lanka. I figure if I host my stuff on Amazon servers, I would get more bang for the buck, and I can serve more people. Amazon likes to host my stuff, and I like to host with them as well. Yet we have some server providers in Sri Lanka too. If the government here (or let's say the people in Sri Lanka as a whole) figures what I'm after, should they force me to host it on Sri Lanka servers?

Time passes, and now there are ten other websites that offer services almost identical to what my website offers. They offer the same service at much lower prices. As more services emerge, the price goes even down. I, being a dumb and greedy one, don't want to knock off a bit of the original price. Eventually everyone moves away from my site to the other low-cost sites, and my business was all set to be bankrupt.

But the government of Sri Lanka moves to block those other sites here because, let's say, I lobby the Sri Lanka government. As a result, I get to keep my business running again and sell my web service at an even higher price. Should I be forced to sell my stuff at the same price set by the other ten providers? Or should the political structure be changed that I can't effectively lobby the government?
2 months ago
Excellent! Let us know if you need help on anything else...
Thomas,

Sorry for the delay. I had to go through some lot of weirdness on myself for the past few days.

thomas rubino wrote:in the link you sent to me it showed her email address with a dot after net ?


Not sure I understand. A "dot after net" ?

Let's try this again. Can you please enter her email address into the text box where it says "email address" here, and click the send button?

When you do that, please send me a PM with her email address so I can check if it was sent correctly.
Permies digital market has a lot of products that you can buy - either for yourself, or as a gift for someone else. Some of these products are digital goods - stuff you can download or watch on a computer; while some other products are physically shippable goods. Earlier, I explained the steps it take to buy a digital gift on permies. Today, in this post, I explain how to buy a physical gift!


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Select a physical product


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See a link called "Buy this as a gift"? Click that link and it will take you to the next step - Step #3. HOWEVER, it is possible that you have already bought this item for yourself before, in which case you wouldn't see a black box. If that's the case, scroll further down until you find the end of the thread. A little below that there is another link called "Buy this as a gift":




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When you click the "Buy this as a gift" link as described in the previous step, it will take you to a page like this:



On this page, enter the postal address of the intended gift receiver (the person who should receive the gift). You will also need to choose a suitable shipping option before you can continue to the next step. If the address you entered is a US address, choose the "US-shipping" option. If it's any other country, choose "International shipping".

From the right, you can also choose who should be copied (CC'd) on the email that we send about shipping and handling.

Click the "Buy Now" button to take you to the next step


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         At this point, it should have taken you to Paypal. On Paypal, complete the purchase as you normally do. Once you do that, it should automatically take you back to permies.


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After you complete the payment on Paypal, we will start to process your gift, and will email you an invoice. If you have selected the "buyer" to be CC'd on step-3, you will also receive another email containing shipping information.


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