Huxley Harter wrote:
C Gillis wrote:
Why does this not exist in Permaculture? I can point to 100 small resources and blogs, but there is not one centralized informational area.
There is no government sanctioned permaculture resource. Just stuff run by the wierdos, to paraphrase Paul above. That scares lots of people off.
S Bengi wrote:To me you start out stating that permaculture is too centralize, and that Bill Mollison leader/centralize version is too hard and you want to see a new different easier one. Isn't that by itself causing me fragmentation.
But lets say we created this "idealize" perfect version in English for USA, what about Chile/New Zealand/Nigeria/Mongolia, don't we still need to fragment it for them, based on language/climate/cultural norms, etc.
I am going to assume (most likely incorrectly) that you are looking for a popular, easy to understand entry level version of permaculture for folks with 1/10 to 1 acres of land. We do have Gaia's Garden, but it sounds like you want something that is less book based. Would this version of permaculture cover homeschooling, if so which type is the best. which math book do you recommend for grade 5. Or maybe said version of permaculture will only cover food production. Will it cover flour production and sugar production that is where most of my calories comes from. But I don't think that you would particularly want your new version to focus on that too much. Are you looking for more of a community. As in a local in person group or more online like permies.com. Or do you want video game with permaculture quest?
Even Microsoft doesn't rule the computing world, at the entry level. We still have iphone and andriod and Mac.
I just have a hard time envisioning just 1 university or world government or 1 denomination/religion.
Daron Williams wrote:I follow a number of permaculture related podcasts and some blogs. One thing I have noticed is that they all are working extra hard right now to help people get started. Some have made free online courses, others have shifted in person events to online and greatly reduced the cost or even made them free and many are creating content that is focused on helping people to get started.
James Freyr wrote:I see many places for beginners to start.
People can't grasp large earthworks and swales on a massive scale
They can’t? I don’t think it’s fair to lump all people into one group of incomprehension or dunderheads. I believe people are smart, and given the chance to think critically and apply themselves they can formulate an understanding, even if they’ve never actually done a project such as building swales.
The Permaculture 1 & 2 books are too much, they just are
Can you please help us understand what you mean? Are they too much information? Are they too expensive?
Stacy Witscher wrote:Like others have said, there is no one solution, because areas, conditions, people vary. There is a lot of good information out there, if people are willing to look. But in the end, trial and error is your friend.
We have more and more friends looking to learn from us, to live like us, and that's encouraging.
Then I guess I still don't see the point you are attempting to make.
I did not make this site to "rule them all". I certainly hope that I don't end up being ruled by somebody telling me what permaculture is or isn't.