James Landreth

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Recent posts by James Landreth

I don't have any now but in a year or two I might and I'll keep this in mind for sharing!
4 hours ago
I don't know of any off the top of my head. The encyclopedia of country living is one of my favorites though, in general. If you'd like you're welcome to visit me and probably some of my friends around here, to see how we garden and ask questions. We're always learning but collectively we have a lot of experience
2 days ago

Mike Jay wrote:

I'd vote for the 15' spacing and more shrubs.  I'm guessing you could fit 6-9 shrubs per tree with that extra 3' of space.  For instance, if each tree consumes a 12' square, and you spread them to 15', you gain a 3' by 15' space between each tree.  Much more than one shrub can fit into 3' by 15'.

I wonder if fitting more shrubs would increase or decrease the drought tolerance of the planting. Some have told me that the increased competition for water would be a problem, but others, like the author of Gaia's garden, say that more plants will increase shade and leaf drop and therefore water retention. What do you think?
2 days ago
A few months ago a permaculture friend of mine was thinking about buying a property in town as a rental and doing some edible plantings. The goal would have been to educate people in town and provide food for tenants.

This got me thinking. If I had more money, I would consider purchasing land closer to town and building tiny houses on it, and having a plot of land associated with each house. This is similar to how yet another friend of mine has set his land up. In my layout, each plot would include a smallish space for gardening and a set number of fruit and nut trees. I tried to select fruit trees to provide a nearly year round supply of fruit. There would invariably be some gaps and people might not be able to solely get their fruit from it, but it could make a major contribution to their diet and wellbeing.

In addition there would ideally be an area set aside on the north side of the property for a communal orchard/woodlot, and maybe additional gardening plots on the south side of the property for those who want more space for annuals.

Now, obviously there are some questions that would be raised here.

Would everyone engage with the annual gardening, or with harvesting and preserving food from their trees? Probably not. But they could let other people use these resources, or, if they so chose, waste them. Looking for tenants interested in this kind of thing and trying to provide information and resources for those that are would be things to consider.

Would people actually eat the food from these trees, since certain fruits (persimmon, medlar, etc) is probably new to them? In my experience, some probably would. I know that a lot of people are very set in their ways in the US, but I’ve been surprised by how open and curious most people really are.

How would you protect trees from getting cut down, and the wood (of certain nut trees, for example) getting stolen? This can be an issue some places. I honestly don’t have an answer yet to this either. This and other concerns would have to be addressed.

How would you divide up food produced in the communal woodlot? This would bear thinking on as well.

Below is the list of trees that each plot could have. It’s a loose list and could be easily modified however needed. The trees are selected for what would generally do well in the Pacific Northwest, with the right kind of cultivar.

Finalized list:
3 hazelnuts--For fat and protein. Fall harvest.
Persimmon--Fall harvest, can be preserved into winter
Medlar--Supposed to be a good winter fruit. I like them.
Plum, Summer--this would be a cultivar selected to ripen in July or August
Apple, Storage--this would be an apple selected for excellent keeping quality. Some can last in cold storage through the following spring.
Pear, Storage--same as with the storage apple. This could be an asian pear like Shinko or some of the old European storage pear cultivars.
Peach--Summer harvest
Pear--Fall harvest
Apple--Fall harvest
Wild card tree. This would be different plot to plot. It could be something unusual that the community doesn’t need a whole lot of like quince. The idea would be that people could trade the excess with each other if they wanted. “Reach” trees (trees that are a little difficult to ripen but possible in the right microclimate) would be here too. They could be grown on the south side of the tiny house. Options for this tree include apricot (Puget Gold), pomegranate, fig, and yuzu citrus.

This would be a total of twelve trees. If they were spaced in a 12 by 12 spacing this would take up 1,728 square feet of space. If spaced at 15 by 15 a shrub could be planted in between each, like a currant, gooseberry, or even a nitrogen fixer pruned to size, and this arrangement would take up 2,700 square feet. Additional annual gardening space would be provided as mentioned above.

Some ideas for inclusion in the communal woodlot:
Chestnuts--as a staple food.
Walnuts--as a staple food.
Locust--for firewood coppicing, nitrogen fixation, and for feeding bees in the spring.
Possibly more hazelnuts
Possibly almonds (still on trial in the Northwest with some promising results)
Fuzzy kiwi (apparently they’re an excellent storage fruit, it turns out)
Various berries (aronia, serviceberry, gooseberry, currant, goumi, autumn olive)
Apricots--They ripen all at once and are a bit of reach in the Pacific Northwest. Because they ripen all at once having them next to each house might not make sense as they might overwhelm most people
Sorrel tree--for feeding bees in the fall (important in our bioregion)
Linden tree--for feeding bees in the summer. Leaves and blossoms are edible.
Mulberries--berries and leaves are good to eat, are wind pollinated and late blooming, good for feeding birds if unharvested/unnetted
Empress tree--beautiful tree, useful wood (so I hear), good for feeding bees, fast growing
Golden chain--feeds bees, is an understory tree, fixes nitrogen (I hear)
Vine maple--understory tree, good for bees
Pawpaw--understory tree, prefers some shade in our summers
Timber bamboo, for future construction, shoots for eating, etc

2 days ago
If you find anything in German, Spanish, or Chinese send it my way. I may have to look up some of the specific vocabulary used but I ought to be able to translate it. I'll try and do a some research in Chinese about thornless seaberry
6 days ago
I can read Chinese. I just did a trip to China and Southeast Asia. I came across a cold hardy eggplant that was producing with snow on the ground (I'll get around to uploading the pictures some other time). There are also persimmon and pomegranate trees that have survived serious droughts with little to know water over there. In the 70's in Shanxi province they had at least one year with almost no measurable precipitation
6 days ago
Apparently the map legend is separate lol. Here it is
6 days ago
Thanks Christina. I'm glad you like it.

Where in eastern Washington are you considering? You might've seen this or done research already, but I've attached a precipitation map. Some parts get quite a bit of rain--that's where I'd personally recommend aiming for. My grandparents lived out in Ephrata and Ellensburg for a long time. As I"m sure you know, water is a big thing.

I too have seen too much good land paved over. Sequim has a fertile loam and is in an extremely mlld climate, which made it attractive for paving over for retirement homes :(

6 days ago
I've read that people used to take an empty baby formula or coffee can and put a rat trap with bloody meat in it. It's how fur trappers would get them for pelts. Not sure how well it works or if it's really ideal for indoor use, but it's a thought
1 week ago
It's a great question, Jocelyn. Thank you for bringing that up.

Centralia gets about 47 inches of rain a year. Other parts further east can get 75 or more. That being said, it rains very little in summer--often less than an inch a month. Still, with a well designed landscape and good water capture and conservation, it's a challenge that's not impossible to overcome. My impression (having lived in and near Oregon too for a while) is that rainwater collection laws are much more relaxed here than down there.

As an aside, here's a list of places that I've lived. I've gardened and worked on farms in most of them. If anyone has questions about these places please feel free to also shoot me an email.

Port Orchard, Washington
Belfair, Washington
Sequim/Port Angeles, Washington
Duchess County, New York (for about 3.5 years)
Woodland, Washington
Ashland, Oregon
Lewis County, Washington (I currently reside here)
1 week ago