Does permaculture endanger industrial agriculture in any way, or limit its activities? Can you give some examples of the dangers of permaculture to industrial agriculture?
Just want to point out that plant breeding, soil science, and organic methods were known and pretty well developed before the Green Revolution. There was definitely the opportunity to head in the organic direction, if society had chosen to do so.
I don't see the Green Revolution as a success. It led to overshoot in world population,an epidemic of metabolic disorders in the US, destruction of untold ecosystems, and a host of other ills. Seeing the Green Revolution as a "success" seems to me to be the cognitive dissonance. Being able to recognize that our decision to engage in the Green Revolution may have been one of the worst decisions ever made in human history does not seem like cognitive dissonance to me, it seems like an ability to appropriately evaluate results.
Awareness of germ theory was at least as much to account for the increase in human longevity (actually life expectancy) as the Green Revolution was.
Old hammy wrote:
I'm not sure I understand. If the road we've taken since WWII will possibly "undermine and reverse the benefits... and maybe life itself" can you really call the journey a success? And why would I have a vested interest in ignoring the fact? I'd rather be open about it and move away from it.
Which inconvenient facts are permies ignoring, in your opinion? And what is their interest or benefit in ignoring them?
Joel Hollingsworth wrote:
I think the Times is dependent on advertisements from national brands. In a recession, the food and alcohol sectors of the economy tend to be the only ones that experience much growth, and the more localized the food system is, the less money will be spent on national ads for food brands.
Gardening, not farming, is the most efficient use of land, with the most productivity per land unit.
Joop Corbin - swomp wrote:
...starting out on a garden without any knowledge of the design tools makes it hard to develop skill in applying them (of corse it is possible for some, like sepp and bill, to develop knowledge, deep knowledge on natural principles and how to apply that designing our own systems, but i tend to welcome a lifetime of learning from others that proceeded me.)
...i do welcome any theoretical or practical knowledge that is available with open arms and thus started reading every tekst and watching every movie i could get my hands on, as well as trying everything i learn out on a 50x25 meters lot. ( btw i think money is not necessary, the internet provided me with most info, allthough in time i started buying books that are actually available by downloading)
...for me theory and practice can complement each other (i sometimes read theory that makes me understand something happening in the gardens better, but also sometimes experience something in our baby-foodforest that makes me understand something ive read better.)