john lindsey

Well after several years of just letting the grey water drip onto the ground after exiting the tank through a simple tube and no grease trap there is no residue on the ground, just grass and rhododendrons close.   I don't run much water into the tank, just one person.  Never poor cooking grease into a septic tank. How ever I do smell methane after taking a shower. If I live long enough I will put a charcoal filter on the top vent.                        


I still want swamp cabbage with lots of roots to collect phosphates. Not that I would recognize symptoms....are there any to look for??

I just got a horse radish root free at the food bank, maybe that would be a good filter plant???

Ever Green Swamp Plants??

[Plan B] Now that I have the plumbing done, I am thinking about using a barrel for a methane digester of the particles from my kitchen sink. I plan to make sure there is no grease poured down the sink because it would probably clog the pipes eventually.

Then the water will go to a tub with some kind of wetland plants in gravel for the bio filter.
I plan to use septic tank bacteria starter. I suspect it will digest anything.

Does anyone know of an ever green Coniferous swamp plant that does not need full sun?  But will the bacteria be too strong for plants?
Maybe Skunk Cabbage?
Arrow bamboo?

Odd how I was notable to find the threads about gray water [Grey water filtering (grey water forum at permies)] and [grey water system design for cold climate] until I posted this thread. Maybe Google thought I was not serious.

looks like a particle trap before the grease trap is important...and if using sand it should be for the second stage? And maybe the grease trap should be separate...so it will be easier to clean out; or dump out the ice. Not that I will want to deal with it. But it would be good for the compost barrels I have.

We have plenty forest with sandy soil here to drain to after cleaning out phosphates with roots.

Is it possible to use bamboo to get rid of the phosphates or are they to sensitive to standing in water?  Has anyone tried bamboo?
What temp does swamp grass die at? It does freeze hard here once in a while. But never below 18f cold enough to kill roots of most anything in a pot. Are there any freeze proof swamp grasses?
Seattle, Washington is in USDA Hardiness Zones 8b and 9a

   
I have been thinking about how to design a gray water filter with stuff I already have. I watched a few videos, but none of them tell how deep the roots of Cattails will grow. But maybe it does not matter.

The hard part is how to keep the grease in the 5 gallon bucket from filling and clogging the volcanic rock. The only thing I have  thought of is to use some kind of panel filter over the holes in the bottom of the upside down bucket. Any ideas??

I do not want to buy a bath tub like one video showed how to use it as the secondary filter. They will cost $70 with the tax at the “waste-not-want-not” recyclery store. Unlike the video where he says he got them for only $10@.

Maybe I should not have the cattails growing out of the first barrel? Just the second one. See this video: “Simple Permaculture-Based Grey-Water Treatment System”.

I was lucky to find these two barrels for only about $30@ on Creg's list locally. I think the volcanic gravel will cost too much also, and he did say it needs to be replaced every few years. I may use plain gravel.
 

ok one close up photo is better than nothing.....looking at the feild does not show much, flat land and small images.

I have watched gabe browns videos......so I was hoping for videos of timless seed's growers...like their amazing multi crop systems. please reaad their book.

https://www.timelessfood.com/farmers/

some one should go there with a camera.....put it on you tube and here.

I read the book “the lentil underground” fond it in the king county library digital audio books. It was so good I am looking for videos of the radical farming techniques that was developed by Dave Oien? and Timeless seeds using black medic. But all I got for the search words, is this guy in Kentucky on youtube.
“No-Till Carrots (Our Greatest Challenge Yet)”

I have been a big fan of new permi-culture techniques ever since The One Straw Revolution- Masanobu Fukuoka came to our little town to checkout our local seed company “Abundant life seeds”. But I still don't see people using permi tech. I hope some one here knows of videos about what was talked about in the book.

After reading this thread "Rocket Stove Hot Water Heater for Outdoor Wood Fired Hot Tub”... I think I should have two large pipes a the top with pressure release valves. And a drain pipe at the bottom. And if the tank is not open-able I will have to keep it dry most of the time. So I should start with a electric hot water tank. Is that enough ventilation?

If the 3inch tube is not large enough they do have 4 inch tubes and I could put a 2.5” tube inside.

http://www.aprovecho.org/lab/rad/rl/stove-design/category/1

https://permies.com/t/38318/Rocket-Stove-Hot-Water-Heater

I have been heating my bath tub by burning wood under it. Making way too much smoke and wasting wood. I want a 30gallon? Gravity feed vertical tank with 304 stainless steel for the rocket stove, up into the center of the tank. So has any one built such a tank?  
I want to build this into a gas water heater tank..


I think it could be a .065inch walled double tube, 3 inch inside a 2 inch inside the other. That is less than a half inch (.435”) between the inner tube and the outer.
1. I need to know how tall it can be and still have the fumes come back down and out?
2. Does the downward out flow need to be more roomy??  Like maybe I need a 4”tube for the outer down-tube? (3.5”is not available)?