kevin hancock

Hi David

I have been looking at this system:

http://www.trap-alert.com/login?next=/

I was thinking about wait, however swarm traps are normal , jammed into a tree crook, or strapped on or so on,, I suppose a ceiling inside with a micro switch??

thans again for the reply

Kevi

OK so the next Question IS:
the QUESTION I have is : what is the best "activating key"

however I want to know as soon as the bees move in so I can move them whilst they are still in the moving mood, to reduce trauma or what what.

So I am looking into some ideas of electronic activated remote alarms.



would a temperature be the best?
so if a swarm moves in the temperature would then rise to?? and stay constant for ?? time , then this would set the alarm.

Or sound, or movement
or block a beam
or mass of trap increases??

I think the temperature sensor would use the least amount of power? but I am no expert.

OK I know some will ask why all this money on a bee trap??

1. I work a 9 to 5 job
2. I am organising private land and do not want to be over intrusive.
3. I intend putting up quite a few over a large area.
4. I would like to house them with in 24 hours of them moving in
5. with bee packages costing £200.00 + - I don't have to have to many success to justify the cost, and given the choice, I would rather spend the money on trapping a local swarm then buying some random swarm??

realy hope some one can help

thank you all in advance

Kevi

Hi John

thank you for that!! I have email d them to see if they can do one for swarm traps. I am no bee expert but I would think that once a swarm moves in one would then get a constant temperature of ?? but a constant temperature.. and that constant temperature can then activate the alert signal??

the question is now if this is the case what is the temperature of a swarm that has just moved in?

or what other system could one use ?? buzzing noise as an alert?? perhaps

thans again for that

Kevi

David

thank you for the reply

I am thinking of contacting my lokal makerspace to see if they cant help.

cheers again
Kevi

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Hi this is how I have been planting trees for the last 10 years!!

some years non come up some years many do.

I have apple trees and cob nut trees and cast about 5 builder buckets of each every year.

I do it along virgers of road that are dull.. and some from 10 years ago are now quite big.

It gives me great satisfaction to see the red apples in autumn every year!!

I see it as my carbon offsetting for driving along the road.

So after casting 1000 of seeds I have 100 of trees and it is good.

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Hi

just found your post

my hive is a honey bee beehive for bees and not honey (well not really)

it is designed to have one or two visits a year, or never..

have a look and please leave feed back as to what you think>

Kev H

http://ecape1820.tripod.com/alternativebeehive/

Hi guys

a little help here please. Some one must have done this before!!?? does any one know if it is open source somewhere??

well the season is now over, |I saw the drones all being kicked out. So now they are just building up stores for winter.. if you have not taken your honey, it's too late!! (well with my style of natural beekeeping it is)

So now for winter projects..

To have the best chance of catching a wild swarm, I will need stacks of swarm traps in the spring!!
So I figure, if I had some sort of electronic device to call me once it becomes populated.
this can work two ways , passive or active.


Passive would be a trap with a cell phone and it would,  text  , (sms) me.
Active , I would drive round to within radio range of the traps and "PING" them to see if there has been a change.

so now the research begins.

thanks again Guys

Kevi H

Hi guys

quite new to the forum so I will do a little "HI " first

HI

great to see all the interest in bees,

I have built a bee hive specifically for bees, and then figured out how to then get some excess honey (if the season we good) out.

http://ecape1820.tripod.com/alternativebeehive/

so in a nutshell you can have a look on my website for more info , but basically, it is designed to be build from scaffolding board. (they are untreated, to a certain standard as peoples lives will depend on them not falling, standard size ex)

I use new limber as one key aspect is one needs to not have one or two expensive (time or money) in an apiary but have 7 to 10 times as many spread out all over.

The Rationale

Conventional Beekeeping  is:
few expensive hives
concentrated
with reduced and controlled diversity.

HAH Beekeeping is:
for the same money 10 times as many hives  
dispersed all over
with a natural uncontrolled diversity.


In keeping with “Permaculture” and “forest gardening”, a system should be pretty self-sustaining without to much intervention after it has initially been established. So it is with the HAH bee hive system.

two or three visits a year and that's it. or if you prefer just the bees, once they are in just leave them until the hive falls apart in quite a few years!! no other hive can say that , I don't think.??

any how , if you have read up to here thank you for your time and I hope you found it interesting and compelling.

Kevi H

Hi David L

thank you for your response, Yes I have had a look at both these hives, however they are still built for people not bees. well that is debatable I suppose.

big differences in my style:
I designed myne around the bees then only  added a method of removing honey. with the idea of having no control over the shape of comb they build.. both these hives have some sort of bars for the bees to build on. I have non.
in addition the entire thing is screwed shut once the bees are in. so only access is with an endoscope.

compared to the sun hive , my training only requires one day, and is a 1/5 of the price, and you also get to go home with your hive! and a bait hive!! (just kidding , I don't do courses , yet  ( training and teaching seems to very much be part of the permaculture ethic so I had better start learning how to teach!!

I have never had any formal training on bees, only hands on. so I suppose it gave me a slightly slanted look at how they work.. and what I was endeavoring to to here was to give them what they needed , well two mane things.

one is the ability to build twisted comb, or a maize typ com .. ( this I think is part of their defence )
an to build cell size of thier cheesing ( a defence thing as well as more productive rearing process..)

just what I have observed , probably completely wrong , but then maybe not so much?

then from the MAN side of things.. if you look at time and effort and money put in , If you where to want to produce honey, realising my hives are 1/10 the price, you would end up with 10 times as many hive , but realising you only have to visit them two times a your maybe three, the labour is the same..

then my hives yield less, but there are 10 times as many!!

so I have not had the results in yet, as I have not hives to compare in a season to , but in the same location in the same year I would thing for the same input, I would at worst get the same honey yield from the side boxes.

seculation at the moment, but this is based on natural permaculture ideas, so should be viable..

time will tell.

Ps I had a look, your hives look great, how did you get on with them this year??

Kevin H