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paul wheaton wrote:Acres USA sep 2009, page 33:  the article goes on to talk about a range of lards and how it is related to what the pigs eat. 

Pigs eating organic is way better, of course. 

And a diet rich in nuts is really good too!

Anybody else get AcresUSA?



Lard consumption in humans seems to be rather bad for you.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26068959

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26561617

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3052353

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21543628

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2364063/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3195565
8 years ago

Guy De Pompignac wrote:Hi,

i'm a bit concerned by the way to obtain omega-3 required by growing my own food


ALA : wallnuts are a good source (but i read that it contains to much Om6 in proportion). Flax, rapeseed, purslane too, but are annuals (and i'm lazy about annuals)

DHA : no veg sources (as far i know). Best converters are chicken throught their eggs. Flax feed chicken eggs (yellow part) have 2,2% of acid fats that are DHA. Cows via milk are not good converters *.
(flax enhanced eggs have also more ALA by ten folds)

EPA : hard to obtain !
- Wild Fish : best of non frigthned species are are (with g of EPA by 100g) :  Mackerel (1,2g), Sardine (1,1g)
- Some can be obtained by flax-feed chicken eggs (but not much : 0.3% of fatty acid)*
- Fishes on farm : EPA can be enhanced with flax seed, but only with vegan fishes (eg carp) cause carnivore fishes are bad converters of veg ALA (for example trout feed with flax seeds have just a 5% increase in EPA *). But i assume trout can be feed with flex-enhanced fishes


have you some good infos about chicken/fish fodder wich contains ALA and are more permaculturish than flax ?

For example i discovered that elaeagnus angustifolia seed oil contains 12.2 % ALA, but i dont know if chicken eat those, and if so if they eat or poop the seeds ...

Also snails should enhance omage 3 acids content


(i'm also interested by numbers on flax enhanced fishes)

* Source in french : http://books.google.fr/books?id=Ftl5JYK6GYEC&pg=PA232&lpg=PA232&dq=omega+3+poules+lin&source=bl&ots=CrYmRscioo&sig=OOID8FgVneHNvlPTccGlTZFF85o&hl=fr&ei=w2YlTZ2gEcep8QOes7jZAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=true



your body knows how much EPA and DHA to make and creates it on an as-needed basis as long as there is enough of the precursor ALA. EPA and DHA from the DIET seems to be a bad things.

most whole plant foods have n-3 fatty acids in them. Flax is VERY HIGH in ALA.

Fish has lots of cholesterol.
8 years ago

Warren David wrote:

elspru wrote:
Though likely there is something the meat is eating,
with the right skill set can catch or grow it,
and thereby revert to a safer diet.

The lower on the food-chain,
the more there is of that food,
and the safer it is for consumption.

It's fairly easy to eat meat safely. Millions of people do it every day and the vast majority suffer no problems.
There is no need to be scared of food. You just need a little knowledge about food hygiene and you can probably get through life without poisoning yourself or others to death.

I get the impression that the calorie restriction scene is based on a calorie restriction experiment with mice?
I have read, slightly overweight people tend to live longer, healthier lives than anybody else so I'm really not so sure that under-eating really is best for health. Under eating certainly doesn't suit me so I would say it's not for everybody.

My health has come on leaps and bounds since cutting out all starches, limiting vegetables and virtually eliminating fruit while increasing meat and eggs. My way seems to be the best for me and from what I have read elsewhere there are other people having the same kind of benefits as me on the same kind of diet.




bodyfat is consistently shown to be an issue, especially abdominal bodyfat. overweight is an issue of a scale, not body composition.

being slightly overweight is what most amateur bodbuilders are, yet they are often barely double digits in bodyfat.


most studies i have ever seen show that being "overweight" is not good in any way. what is interesting is that I would guess that damn-near every person that would pose that as an argument has a good deal of abdominal fat... which is significantly associated with bad things. then they will say "but im just a bit overweight, so its okay!" when the study had nothing to do with FAT and everything to do with BMI/total weight of the person.

being fat and out of shape is bad, and this is proven so consistently in research. weight does not measure adiposity or fitness.
8 years ago

Leila Rich wrote:I've come across quite a few references on these forums and have a couple of questions.
Over here, Weston A. Price and Sally Fallon are the names you hear in the permaculture world regarding diet.
To me, it seems that while Paleo/Price have many similarities, they differ in some pretty major ways, especially around eating animal fat and dairy products.
Are people referring to 'Paleo' as a sort of shorthand for 'what I eat', or to 'The Paleo Diet'?
Are people taking things that suit them from various ways of eating? For example, I don't like eating the amount of animal products most Weston A Price people seem to consume, but I love dairy products.
I've always presumed that Weston A Price and permaculture were kind of intertwined, but maybe it's a  New Zealand thing...
I hope this post isn't too garbled, and please feel free to go 'off topic', since there really isn't one in the end!



this pretty much sums it up: archaelogical evidence shows that an absurdly high amount of calories has come from starches since the agricultural evolution, and foraged plants before that.

some hunting was done, but, like other primates such as chimpanzees, hunted game was a super small percentage of consumed calories, and consuming game every day or maybe even every week would be almost unheard of.

the paleolithic diet was mostly composed of foraged leaves, berries, nuts, seeds, roots, fruit, and tree bark.

thats what facts and evidence points to, whereas the popular "paleo" stuff is basicaly pure hypothesis or make-believe. one person called it "paleo poetry" somewhat saying that it was basically all a story/narritive that sounds good, but isnt true.
8 years ago