Emily Lerner

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Illinois native, Arkansas transplant, newly moved onto 40 acres in the high plains of Colorado. Working to create a self-sustaining environment. Master's graduate of Creative Writing with no tangible background in homesteading besides hours of research and growing stuff as a hobby. As my knowledge grows, I hope to help in the same way I have been helped.
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Oh, I get what you mean about the concentration. It can be really tough to do with lots of distractions because it really does ask for your full attention. I can't do it all the time. I read other stuff, too, like novels, to cut the work a little bit.

When I do get to sit down and really read poems, though, I usually read them out loud (with the help of tea or water) to make sure my mind doesn't wander. My animals don't seem to mind.

Mary Oliver is fantastic, but I am sad to admit I haven't read much Sarton. I'll have to give her some more attention!

When I read poetry that's not "recent", I tend to reach for Elizabeth Bishop. Hands down one of my favorite poets of all time.
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Judith, thank you. The change of forum is a good idea. Glad you made it back to this one!

Sorry you had to go to the cold room for them! I'm glad that you did, though. I've been meaning to read some Hirschfield, so I have even more reason to get going on that, now! Ferlinghetti is my favorite of the Beat poets. Took a whole semester on the Beat generation and his works stuck with me. Also adore Wendell Berry!

And Rumi. Ah. Always.

Thanks for leaving a response!
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Todd Parr wrote:
Personally, I love bukowski.  Most of the best poetry seems to hurt a little. Or a lot.



I can get down with some Bukowski! Maybe I'm a bit of a masochist, but I love best the poems that hurt. Helps me remember I'm alive.

Thanks, Todd
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Also, I am aware of this awesome thread: https://permies.com/t/19166/art/Poem-day, but was hoping to open things up a little bit to include a broader array of poetry sources. So cool that people share their work on here. I encourage people to continue contributing to that post, as well!
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Well, maybe I didn't really think through how to start the thread--tying poetry into other common interests on the forum. Being outside while reading or writing poems is a singular experience. Was hoping more people did that kinda thing. That's okay, though.

There are plenty of examples that I could list of poetry that is specifically about nature, but I think all poems are tied to nature in some way. Even ones that don't mention trees or mountains or how beautiful "nature" is. Even poems in urban or "modern" settings. All poetry (or art in any form) comes from the human experience, which, I think, is intrinsically tied to nature. We are a part of this planet, and permies know this more than most. Even if you yourself don't write poems, there must be a poem--or a poet or a poet's body of work--that has resonated with you and your own experiences. Lots of people tend to think that poetry is a dying art, but it's not! As long as we are here and we write, poetry will always be a part of us as humans and, therefore, of nature.

Poetry can also be a little daunting for some, but I was hoping there would be a few more responses! I'd really love to learn more about some of you fine permies. Sometimes taste in reading material can be a lovely window into another person--even if it's just a little bit! I often resonate with poetry that involves food because food is such an integral part of the human experience. Permaculture of any kind, I think, ties in with this because of the sort of communal survivalist nature of it, even if you live/are alone.

You're right, Larry. There will never really be a substitute to taking the time to sit and write, especially if you're an off-gridder. And it is much cheaper than most past-times! I can't look out the window and not think of poetry. Maybe some people think of music or prose or something else. I'd be open to hearing those kinds of things, too!

I'm also new here, and a stranger, so people maybe thought this post was a little weird. Poor way to introduce myself, I think. I'll have to be more careful in the future to stick to permaculture stuff, specifically, I guess.
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What are some of your favorite collections of poetry? Or favorite poets? Poems?

I really love poetry collections because they offer a broader insight into each poem in the book. Sort of like only understanding light when you have seen dark. Some poems benefit from being surrounded by more poems by that poet.

Natalie Diaz, an incredible indigenous poet in the U.S., has the most amazing collection of poems entitled When My Brother Was an Aztec. Here's a poem from her collection that I love:

Why I Hate Raisins

And is it only the mouth and belly which are
injured by hunger and thirst?
-Mencius

Love is a pound of sticky raisins
packed tight in black and white
government boxes the day we had no
groceries. I told my mom I was hungry.
She gave me the whole bright box.
USDA stamped like a fist on the side.
I ate them all in ten minutes. Ate
too many too fast. It wasn't long
before those old grapes set like black
clay at the bottom of my belly
making it ache and swell.

I complained, I hate raisins.
I just wanted a sandwich like other kids.
Well that's all we've got, my mom sighed.
And what other kids?
Everyone but me, I told her.
She said, You mean the white kids.
You want to be a white kid?
Well too bad 'cause you're my kid.
I cried, At least the white kids get a sandwich.
At least the white kids don't get the shits.

That's when she slapped me. Left me
holding my mouth and stomach--
devoured by shame.

I still hate raisins,
but not for the crooked commodity lines
we stood in to get them--winding
around and in the tribal gymnasium.
Not for the awkward cardboard boxes
we carried them home in. Not for the shits
or how they distended my belly.
I hate raisins because now I know
my mom was hungry that day, too,
and I ate all the raisins.

Some of my other favorite collections are:

Unpeopled Eden by Rigoberto Gonzalez
The Animal Gospels by Brian Barker
The Book of Men by Dorianne Laux
Sanctificum by Chris Abani

What are your favorites? These examples are all contemporary (all the poets are still alive), but older stuff is welcome, too!
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Good morning to all.  I have about 10 New Years resolutions for the next year.  One of them is to try to find a friendly writing/poetry/ short story forum to join. If anyone has a suggestion, I'd appreciate it .



Hiya, Larry!

Poet here. (MFA in CW blah blah.) I don't know of any creative writing forums that are well-established or active other than maybe some Facebook groups or something along those lines. I deleted my Facebook years ago, but, if you use it, you might consider doing a quick search and seeing if there's something on there that would work for you.

However, depending on where you live, such as somewhat near a larger town/city, you might consider looking into some local readings and attending a few. Chances are, you'll be able to pretty quickly find some fellow writers in your community who might be interested in forming a little workshop group or just a group of people you can bounce ideas off of/talk to about struggles and triumphs. Universities with Creative Writing programs, and sometimes libraries, put on events that are often free and open to the permies. You might ask a local bookstore, too, if they have any leads on some readings coming up. Attending readings is also a great way to show support and solidarity for the writers and the community!

If, like me, you're shy around new people, you might consider forming a little group with the people on here who want a similar online experience. Maybe send some PMs to people you notice have writing objectives similar to yours, exchange emails, then set up deadlines (monthly, weekly, whatever) for emailing work to each other for feedback. It could be more polished stuff, but I find that getting feedback on a piece you're pretty stuck on is the most rewarding in the long run. It might be pretty neat to start something like that with some fellow permies. Though it sounds fun, I would caution you to keep the group relatively small so that you can avoid being overwhelmed. Also, if you do choose to form a workshop group, it's like any other group situation. Kindness and empathy in your constructive feedback is a must, as well as some praise so as not to discourage some more sensitive/self-conscious writers.

In terms of organizing old stuff...can't help ya too much there (*as she averts her eyes away from the piles of half-filled notebooks lurking in every corner of the house*). When I feel that a poem is done, or isn't salvageable, I'll typically get rid of old drafts. But I like to keep most of my old drafts so I can see the evolution of a piece. It also makes it easier for me to not lose sight of what my original objective was with the piece.

I'm so glad to see so many writers on here! Writing can be such a cathartic and enriching experience; even more so when you can share it with someone else.

**Also, to anyone who thinks he or she isn't a writer because of grammatical issues, as a college writing tutor, grammar is often quite subjective, as someone stated above. I've told many students, particularly ESL students (English as Second Language), that, as long as the meaning of a sentence is easily understood by the reader, you're doing great. Maybe not for an academic audience, but not all writing needs or wants to have that purpose.

Write anyway and often.
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Whoops, didn't see that you posted twice. I love Anasazi tomatoes! I've got a couple of seed catalogs in mind, but will for sure be looking for things that come from/are known to do well in this area! I'll have to try those Anasazi seeds out. Thanks!!

I'll definitely be checking that blog out, too. Thanks for pasting it! Even if it is in the mountains, I might find useful info in there all the same.
Hi Andrew!

That's alright haha. I wish I was in the mountains! I can see them, which is nice, but am a good hour away from the closest one. Most of the growie stuff I find is for the mountains, which is why I felt the need to start this thread.

I think if I can get some tree shade, or stick some in shaded fence corners, raspberries will eventually be a possibility. The ones that grow in town are really tasty! I bet the ones in the mountains are even better.
Hi Matt! Thanks for responding. I'm from Illinois, but moved here from Arkansas. So not quite as far as Pennsylvania, but it's nice to hear from another recent transplant! You're not too terribly far from me. About three hours. I'm down near the Calhan area.

What a great list of info there. Thank you so much. I've been trying to find a good book, but I always hesitate to buy books unless I've heard it's great or I've had a chance to skim through, so I will definitely be grabbing a copy of that.

I'm really excited about that pole bean idea. I am definitely going to try that while the new trees acclimate and get their roots in for a few years. I was thinking some sort of shrub (I want raspberries, but not sure if they can handle it out here, though I've seen some in the Springs), but I like the pole bean idea much better. Also, the concavity for the seeds is really clever. I probably wouldn't have thought of that on my own. I'm also excited about tomatoes! After reading more about the stuff tomatoes like, I've been eager to give it a shot because it does seem they'd be perfect around here with the hot, hot sun in summer. I'm only worried about the short season, but I'm already looking for short-season seeds.

I also appreciate the suggestion about the hoop house. Lots of folks out here have stuff like that, but the white plastic on all of them is pretty much torn to shreds, which I'm sure is a combo of the wind and hail. Maybe I could get my hands on some netting and pair it with the plastic so that, if it does get destroyed by ice bullets, there will at least be some protection still from the netting.

Your post is so helpful. All of these have been enormously helpful. Gonna take advantage of the 50-60 degree weather this week and get started on building some stuff, I think. I'm glad you were able to get a new idea out of this thread, too!