Karlis Gedrovics

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Yes, Marie, yes! I already though nobody will reply to my post. Did wait for some months, and then lost the interest in checking it out. And today, 2 months after Maria did post her comment, I pop in and - yes, yes, yes! Thank you! At least, any indication of the speed of heat traveling through sand (and that is horizontally 9'-10' in 6 months) !!!
So, you are an angel, Maria (I hope I am right about gender here)! Thank you so much! I need to build it this summer, no chances. Will get it working only for next winter, though, as the construction will be finished in, say 2-3 months - and that is when the summer will be gone already.
But - I will definitely post the result here! Mainly, of course, because of Marie!

Marie Hjort wrote:
Annualized Geo-Solar (AGS ), on the other hand, is both simpler and far less expensive. It takes advantage of the extended, predicable time-lag that naturally occurs when deposited heat disperses through defined distances in dry SUB-STRUCTURE earth and the ease with which it then radiates up from a conductive floor.
Since this warmth is typically acquired from ISOLATED GAIN solar- capture sources such as sunspaces, greenhouses, thermosyphon collectors or even plenum space beneath a metal roof surface, problems of unwanted indoor overheating during summer collection periods are avoided. And because the earth-charging transfer medium is usually air, it is more easily controlled and contained. As a result, far greater choices in design and materials are possible without compromising basic system performance.
(I say isolated solar is "typically" the heat source, but one can also use a range of others, such as an outdoor, summer-fired wood-stove or pottery kiln, extraction-tubes in a "hot" compost pile or what-have-you, for input to the system. One could also divert any unwanted attic or near-ceiling build-ups of summer heat into the under-slab dispersal tubes, thus storing this excess warmth for seasons when it will be more appreciated, while reducing or avoiding the need for costly air conditioning.)
The basic elements of an AGS system consist of:
1. Any WELL-INSULATED (in the above-grade or shallow-earthed, planted portions) STRUCTURE, designed to minimize heat losses and gains, with a conductive floor that facilitates heat transfer, at least in heat-return zones .
2. Some ISOLATED HEAT SOURCE (typically air-based summer solar, although one could use another energy supply and/or transfer media.)
3. INSULATED TRANSFER DUCT/PIPE segments to carry the heated medium (air or whatever) from heat source to the dispersal zone earth beneath the house with minimum loss.
4. UN-INSULATED DEPOSIT DUCT/TUBE SEGMENTS imbedded in the dispersal zone, where heat is transferred to...
5. ...An adequate mass of DRY EARTH for storage and for time-lagged transmission, before moving up through....
6. ...the CONDUCTIVE FLOOR MATERIAL and radiating into the living spaces.
7. A CONTROL ON unwanted premature HEAT RETURN, either by the time required for it to travel through the VERTICAL DISTANCE between deposit site and the slab above, or by the HORIZONTAL DISTANCE between a deposit site directly beneath insulated areas of floor slab and the nearest un-insulated floor areas where one wants heat to conduct up through the floor. This latter approach is usually the easiest answer (no deep ditches/less diggable soil depth required); typically this means running the dispersal ducts/tubes under the insulated central portion of the floor, so the heat must travel out horizontally for 6 months (about 9'-10') before reaching perimeter uninsulated areas of the slab (the areas above which most of the heat loss through windows, doors and exposed walls also usually occurs.)
8. An AIR OUTLET OPTION - either a solar chimney (for a totally passive flow, where other factors make that feasible), an extraction fan (sometimes PV-powered), and dampered exhaust outlet, or return of the medium to the isolated heat source, for rewarming.
9. PERIMETER SUBGRADE MOISTURE-DIVERSION/INSULATION CAPE, extending from the structure's outside walls out to about 20'-24' from the deposit tubes/ducts, to prevent heat from short-cutting back outside, instead of coming up through the floor. (This often actually means just a 6' to 8' band of perimeter insulation, since most of that 20'- 24' distance is actually under the house - a major cost savings and landscape benefit not enjoyed with PAHS 20' edge extensions.)
10. SIMPLE CONTROL SYSTEMS that regulate when the flow is activated and when all exhaust convection is blocked (to prevent the unwanted venting of precious earth-stored heat.)
11. A few SENSOR POINTS to monitor performance and, eventually, determine whether it's necessary to restrict the amount of summer charging, to prevent possible winter over-heating.
All this may sound more complex than PAHS, but it's actually less expensive, more controllable and allows far more design and construction flexibility. And with its potential to meet 100% of your winter heating needs, while keeping you toasty warm in winter and cool in summer, it offers tremendous future freedom and long-term savings on energy bills!

And, yes, I will share the result (pictures, how is it performing etc.) with you all.
Thank you all for keeping this forum live! Valuable!
I've come to conclusion I will build my insulated garden shed utilising Passive Annual Heating System (PAHS).
Why insulated shed? I am in Latvia, and in the winter time we may get down to -30C (-22F). Because the water oxidiser (there's a lot of iron in the water), water filter and softener will be located in the shed (and not in the house) - I cannot allow subzero temperatures in there. Also, various things to be stored have plastics that are better stored in ambient temperature, also - things like pressure washer and freezer (to store frozen berries, mushrooms etc) deem for ambient temperatures. Due to limited space and aesthetic desires, we cannot afford earth-ship type of building. And, to preserve stored things from radiation, no windows. So, a heat source is needed. Green one, of course. Also, as this is a weekend house, I want the heating as care-free as possible. In theory, PAHS suit perfectly. Confidence grows watching Geoff Lawton visiting Community Greenhouse in Invermere, British Columbia, Canada: https://permaculturenews.org/2015/01/09/how-to-build-a-geo-solar-greenhouse/ (or, the same in Vimeo https://vimeo.com/168761278  ) .

So I am kindly looking for some ADVICE - is there anyone who would suggest on how to:
1. calculate needed soil amount to have enough for thermal mass "battery"
2. speed of heat travelling through the soil (so that heat release timing is adjusted to seasonal needs*)?
3. What type of soil shall I use**?

* - Nov-Mar need for heat source, Mar-Oct would be good for collecting the heat, I guess. Our location is 56°57′N, next to the sea; for comparison Invermere is 50°30′N, continental climate. The shed will be square shaped well insulated airtight building H3,8xW6,4xD4,8m (in feet: H12,5xW21xD15.7).
** - gravel would be the easiest for me to get, then sieved sand and then the rest.

Many thanks in advance!