Jeff Thorsgaard

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I can't believe this but this one site talks about "my" idea!  LOL

https://www.builddirect.com/blog/grain-bins-and-silos-as-alternative-housing/
-Jeff
6 years ago
For the people who understand equations, there's a site that figures out pressures of grain in grain bins
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4615-0085-8_12
-Jeff
6 years ago
Back in ought5 (2005) I did some research thru the interwebs about PE wrap material, which the company I worked at threw away bunches and bunches of in the dumpster which ended up in a landfill.  I scoured the innernet looking for ways it could be turned into a fuel, since with a good clean burn, it produces only CO and water vapor.  I didn't find anything, and eventually scrapped the idea.  The true chemical nature of said material is a simple polymer, so I figured if there was a way to heat it via the firebox source so as to turn it liquidus, then feed it into the firey gates of the combustion chamber...

But, as I said - I soon gave up.   Any one thought of this, or am I in the wrong place?

-Jeff
6 years ago
 I think the contractors up here recommend that, but, of course, I would be the guy doing the work, just have a truck come in and pour...lol

Saw a show on the boobtube where this couple in either central or Southern Montana built an EarthBag (filled with scoria) then used a grain bin roof on it... They were running quickly out of Fall so they decided to build the roof on the ground then have a crane lift it up (the wheel way) - and I was quite surprised to see that it didn't work well for them at all!  I had thought it would have just been cake, but they eventually and ultimately decided, Nope, they had to un-assemble it and re-do it topside (bummer)!  Now I can surmise lifting a whole bin that way would be much better since the structure of "Le Cirque" would help to hold it together.

A few ideas rolled into my head while I was thinking of this...  What to use as alternate insulation.  Fiberglass (yuk), simply shredded paper (untreated), foam packing peanuts (I'd think that would be super environmentally friendly), like before mentioned Rammed Earth (I likened the idea of R.E. to a regular ol' block-n-mortar building sans insulation up here and trying to heat it...haha), or just plain ol' store bought cellulose.......  The packing peanuts I think is cool cause they're virtually free, but I've read several places where they allow a lot of air movement.  Now once again in a pretty-much airtight (relatively) situation as this, you'd almost have to think that even just an air space between skins would act as somewhat of an insulator..  ....Argon?  LOL....

I keep thinking of those horribly overpriced beer coolers (Think the Himalayan version of Bigfoot) which are essentially doubly insulated "grain bins"...  If ya got well-sealed pneumonia holes, chances of retaining heat *either inside or outside* are way gooder.

I like to think a lot, and usually when I build something I do far better without a plan, so I'm quite afraid to make any plans per se.. Only problem there is if I wanted to wire or plumb or anything like that, You'd think running all that along the outside of the inside wall would be tidy..The plain utilitarian side of me would say that conduit and plumbing mounted to the inside tho could be made attractive too, as... well look... It's a corrugated metal BIN.  Haha..

The whole neatness of the idea sounds too enticing not to do!  Pour a pad, bolt a bin down to it, then set another bin on top and bolt it down, too...open the top hatch and essentially blow in insulation.  Done.  More or less...

-Jeff
6 years ago
I hope I'm not being patronized.  I'd thought rammed earth or as you say EarthBags, but in this frozen tundra (well, like 8 or so months of it), I'd think thermal mass would lose a lot of heat to "God's Country" rather than to Jeff.  I roughly figgered it out as around a thousand bucks' insulation not incl the roof (sweet idea, btw).. I REALLY like the sounds of the cob rocket mass heat hearth bench..  I dunno.  I'd like to make something that's totally off-grid, as a buddy of mine simply wanted to use a bin for a sort of hunting shack, and I thought insulation would be nice.

The condensation issue is the science part that I have no way of understanding - but I know someone out there does, and that is why I came here.

Again, I'm Jeff in cold ND and I like the replies I've gotten so far..
6 years ago
I'll make this short and sweet since I'm new and have not even introduced myself!  I am Jeff Thorsgaard (This is my real name) I live in very extreme North Central North Dakota.

I have an idea for grain bin building, but not firring up a structure inside with conventional stuff, but somehow stuff a 16 foot diameter bin inside an 18 foot diameter one...Cement floor with buried PEX tubing in case I want floor heat, vent holes cut and framed in for possible thermo-siphon solar, windows, etc.

Then, fill that one foot wide gap with I was thinking cellulose blown in?  I have sat out some pretty windy conditions in an empty bin and they block wind very well.

Seeing people build shacks or even tiny houses out of a small 18' diameter (what? 2500 bushel?) bin just is VERY intriguing....and I have at least 6 of them to play around with.

Shoot me ideas, thoughts, pics - whatever.
-Jeff
6 years ago