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Forest, Thanks for reaching out.

We have not yet purchased a "real mill" although my Father-in-law has purchased an "Alaskan mill", one of those frames/guides that mount to your chainsaw and lot you cut slabs.  He wants to try that out for a while before we put in the kind of $ it would take to get a band-saw mill.

With "the rona" and all that has gone on over the last year, we have done nothing with any of the mill stuff.  His Alaskan mill has not even been taken out of the box he ordered it in.  We have only seen him in person 1 time since March of 2020, even though they only live about an hour and half away.  They live in the Oklahoma City area and we are just outside of Tulsa.

With all of the crazy, we have just been focusing on getting our garden stuff ready, and getting ready to get chickens this spring.  We have ordered chicks from a hatchery that several local friends highly recommended. I'm not sure which hatchery though, my wife is leading that effort :-)  I am gathering materials to setup a small greenhouse to do our early season starts and some season extension, but I haven't began assembly yet.  

Thanks for reaching out, but we likely won't be making many trips to the Southeast, although I do wish the best to your friends there.

The latest discussions that I've had with my F-i-l is that we may shift plans and try to get a shipping container first to serve as both a storage unit, and possibly his "rough cabin" when we are able to forget about the rona and get back on with life.  Our family (me, my wife and kids) are treating everything essentially normal now, but with the In laws being a little older, they are understandably being a little (lot) more cautious, and we respect that.  I do believe that my F-i-l is getting quite stir-crazy though to get back out and work on projects.  He didn't even get to go hunting this year, which is one of his favorite activities.
4 months ago

Andrea Locke wrote:
One of our future projects will be a passive solar greenhouse built into the side of the hill. For that one we would run tubing into the hill for geothermal heating and maybe put in a trench or pit for diverting the cold air. Looking forward to seeing what comes out of the Wheaton Lab greenhouse experiment which should be completed before we're ready to make plans.



Thanks for sharing!

The idea of having the chickens (I assume in pens) under the benches is definitely interesting.  I had not thought of that previously, but I am looking at low raised beds in the hoop house, and likely primarily Aquaponics in the PSG "of my future plans". But we will see what happens as we keep moving forward.

I LOVE the idea of the PSG built into the side of the hill.  My property is very flat, and that is why I eventually plan to go with the Berms on the West, North and East sides of my later Greenhouse plans.  Having the Cold sink "trench" to pull the cold air away from your crops is also a great idea, or so I have read.  I have yet to actually build any greenhouse. :-) But I am getting close.
7 months ago

thomas rubino wrote:Hey Jimmy; I vote for a RMH!
We have been using one here in northern Montana in our greenhouse for 7 years!
The only way to go!
I just recently switched from an 8" J tube to a 6" batch box makes things even easier.

Are you thinking just shoulder seasons or all winter long?



Ideally all winter, but that may be more for the later, more developed greenhouse, and the hoop may only serve the shoulder seasons.

Do you have any posts sharing your greenhouse RMH? I would love to see how you’re utilizing it for best effect.
7 months ago

Dan Chiras wrote:

Hi Jimmy,

Personally I’d strongly consider two earth cooling tubes run six feet under ground. I’d recommend run lengths of at least 100 feet and six inch PVC.

As you know, they will heat outdoor air to ground temperature of about 50 degrees F. This will help warm your greenhouse.

I’d also recommend earth sheltering and insulating the greenhouse. Although that may be a project you’ll complete in years to come. At the very least be sure to insulate the structure at night—that is, install Aluminet shade cloth that you can pull into place at night to hold the heat in.

It does a great job of reflecting infrared radiation that’s trying to escape from your greenhouse at night back into the greenhouse.

My book on Chinese greenhouses describes a number of other steps you can take to keep the greenhouse warmer at night.

If you just want to grow lettuce and other leafy vegetables throughout the winter, I’d strongly recommend you employ the Four-season harvest technique. All you need to do is install mini hoop houses over your grow beds within the greenhouse.



Thank you.

I am a big fan of the earth tubes idea.

This greenhouse will just be a hoop house, likely using foil backed foam sheeting on the north side (foil side facing inward to help reflect the low angle light from the south back into the house). The end walls will be well insulated also.

I had not heard of the Aluminet before was was looking into have an additional tarp layer to roll over the hoop at night. I will definitely look into that though.
7 months ago

Sena Kassim wrote:Hi Thomas and Jimmy, we are in a similar conundrum. We want a greenhous and will likely have to provid supplemental heat for a few days each year.

W be considered diverting rain water to barrels for thermal mass. How about the days in a row that not much sun enters?

https://bradford.missouri.edu/passive-solar-greenhouse/

Not sure where you be. The above site is something to consider

Looking forward to hearing more solutions.



Thanks for the info.

My long-term plan is for a passive solar design, but my near term reality is starting with a simpler hoop house.  The hoop house is what I’m seeking the heat suggestions to support.

I do love the passive solar designs.  Www.FriendlyAquaponics.com recommend a Chinese style passive solar greenhouse as well. That was the first place I heard of passive solar or Chinese style greenhouses.
7 months ago
I live in Oklahoma, so we do not get extreme "Northern" winters here, but we do get a lot of nights in the teens and even down to single digits a few times each winter.  I just recently purchased a Hoop bender to turn my old chain link fence top railing into Greenhouse ribs.  I am weighing my options between the less expensive poly wrap and possibly something better like ETFE film.  I am hoping this hoop house will serve me for several years while I work to build a more long-term Greenhouse that will likely have Insulated North, East and West walls, if not even earth-bermed walls.

I have looked at lots of different possible ways to heat my hoop house, but before I try something I have never done before and end up learning "the hard way" I would much rather ask advice from folks who have already be down this road or one similar to it.  I do not plan to run a Propane line into the greenhouse to heat with.  I may consider some form of small heater on a 5-10 gallon propane tank for emergency overnight help, but would prefer suggestions that are more sustainable than Propane.

I have looked at various configurations for earthtube, and I do have access to a Backhoe to make the digging a lot easier, and we have good sandy loam here, without much rock, so digging is not an extreme problem, as it may be in some places.  I have also looked at a couple different Rocket Mass Heater applications that seem plausible.  But whether or not I have looked at or mentioned an idea doesn't matter, because I KNOW that I am (at best) a Newbie extraordinaire.  

So please, offer met suggestions for heating my greenhouse.  I do have plenty access to firewood, although I would prefer not to be setting an alarm to go out to the greenhouse overnight if possible.  Please educate me on what my options are.

Thanks in advance for your advice!
7 months ago
Welcome!  Your book sounds very interesting.  

We are looking to build a greenhouse on our farm/homestead in Oklahoma for at least season extension and early starts.  I would love to be able to grow all winter long, but I have not yet found a good, while still affordable, solution to heat the greenhouse threw the winter.  I am looking at options with Rocket Mass Heaters and ground tubes, and several other things, but I haven't yet decided "THIS is the solution that I want to build"

Thanks,

Jimmy
7 months ago

Michael Quartz wrote:
I will be posting progress and asking questions along the way. Thanks again folks!



Welcome, and it sounds like you have exciting times ahead.  I look forward to your progress and posts.  Best wishes on your journey!  

We live just outside of Tulsa, OK, on 5 acres, with another 40 acres of raw land about 3/4 mile away.  The 40 is bordered by a creek, but the land is low.  We may dig a pond there (or a couple ponds) and use the removed soil to build up a raised area for a structure.

We are gathering our materials to start our first aquaponics system, with plans to have it producing before winter.  We will initially build a hoop house over the system.  The hoop house will be completed after the Aquaponics is completed and operational first.  The Hoop house likely will not be enough, alone, to get the system through the winter, but we plan to put a Rocket Mass Heater in while building the hoop house to get us through this winter.  By next winter I plan to have a better insulated (more energy efficient) permanent Greenhouse built.  At the least we expect to get some season extension this winter, and an earlier start next spring on our growing with the Hoop house.

I have lurked for a couple years now.  There is definitely a lot of knowledge shared on the forums.  

Again, best wishes on your journey!

Cheers
10 months ago
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I’m so excited & grateful.
1 year ago

Leigh Tate wrote:Jimmy, welcome to the Permies Forums!

I love reading about your place, your goals, and your plans. I agree that documenting is very important, especially photographs. Have you considered mapping out your dream homestead? Sort of a Master Plan? My husband and I found that visual tool to be a huge help as we planned and discussed possibilities.

I have to mention too, that my husband bought a small(ish) portable sawmill a couple of years ago and we have never regretted that purchase. He makes most of our lumber now, which has been a huge savings. Plus there's just something happy about building with your own lumber and timbers.

It will be interesting to follow along as you work toward your goals.




I have sketched up several plans for the property use, and I need to post them, to keep in line with the Accountability part.  

I think my next major step, at this point, is going to be getting a shop built, at least something large enough to pull a vehicle inside and work on it out of the weather.  I have a DREAM to build a nice size shot, with an attached Greenhouse along the entire south side, but that is a big (read expensive) goal, so likely will be a down the road project.
1 year ago