Steve Horst

Maypop aka passionflower vine.  The cold hardy kind.  Unique flowers with bees constantly in them getting covered with pollen.  

Here in PA, it pops up at the end of May, loses flowers around October and starts dying back to the ground in November, until next May.

It just should have something to grow on.

Don't know if it fits with your bean pollination, but you may not want to plant maypop in your vegetable garden either as it can spread.

Thanks Greg,

I think you figured it out.  Date plum (diospyros lotus).  I looked up a couple other videos on youtube and found some that had a look more similar to mine as far as the skinny acorn like shape.

What he says is true about the astringency.  They should be dark and a little shriveled to eat.  

Im still curious if any on my other trees will turn out this way and if I got this from the bundle of persimmon trees or from seed or was just a rootstock.  I think at at some point I also had a packet of date plum seeds from tradewinds fruit.

It's nice knowing the variety if I have to look something up or someone else wants to know the type.

They have no seeds.  On the one end in the pulp they seems to have a circle of black dots where the seeds would be.  So you can eat it like a seedless grape or a raisin.

I had similar thing happen.  one male and one female from one green world.  Female looks fine.  Male dead.  Like the roots rotted.  Not even a year in the ground.  One thought is maybe the female was grafted onto a male and that will sucker.  Don't know.

This is a persimmon tree in my yard.  It is one of a bundle of 10 or 12 that I bought from penn state extension about 10 years ago.  I had initially assumed they were all seedlings.  Now I'm pretty sure they might all be clones of certain american persimmon varieties.   I think there were at least three types in that bundle.  One male, one traditional looking wild persimmon, and this one.  

Fruits are very small, like a smallish grape.  I pick them now, after they turn dark and dry a bit, making them less likely to be astringent.  No seeds to be seen.  It has a different branching structure than what I think of as the typical american persimmon.  There is at least one other tree i have from that bundle that I believe is likely the same variety based on the structure but no fruit yet to compare.

There's a small chance I started this from seed.  I started some princess persimmon seeds, but lost track over whether any of them made it and got transplanted into the yard.  

It also happens to look similar to a princess persimmon but not as big or fancy/glossy looking.  

Of all the pictures I see of persimmon fruit on the internet, no fruit is this small.  It's really more of a berry in size.  Is anyone familiar with this?  I am curious.  

If these pictures upload, the taller tree with the larger fruit is the more traditional american persimmon tree and fruit.  Thanks.

My first thought is a type of mallow.  

I saw this picture looking for herb seeds and thought it looked similar.

https://www.rareseeds.com/store/herbs/betony/betony-purple-or-hedge-nettle

I live in zone 6 Pennsylvania.  I have some young pawpaws and some young hardy oranges.

Is there any other type of edible citrus that I could graft onto the hardy orange that would make sense in my zone?  Same with pawpaw.  If I grafted on a relative, the scion would just die in the winter, so is there a point to that?

If these trees stay outside in the ground over winter in PA, won't the scions be too tender and freeze/die?

My understanding is Hardy Orange is often used as rootstock for citrus for its cold hardiness.  What I wonder is, what is the point if the scion can not take the cold.  There may be something I don't understand.  What is it?

Any suggestions that would work?
Steve

The root of my question is " Do you do anything to stop volunteer seeds from germinating in your worm castings?"  A lot of pumpkin, squash, pepper and sometimes tomato seeds end up going into my worm bins.  And in due course they germinate, either in the bin or after I taking them out of the bin.  And unless I want to grow plants from those particular seeds, how would I use my castings for say sprouting other seeds.  And if I put castings down around garden plants, all the squash and pepper seeds start volunteering around my garden plants.  Do I embrace it???  Avoid putting seeds in?  For the most part I use it around fruiting trees and shrubs, and use the excess liquid from the bins as a liquid fertilizer/tea for my potted plants.  No crisis here.  It is nice in a way, being able to pluck some volunteer peppers out of the worm bin and plant them around the yard.   However, I am wondering what others do.  What is the main thing you do with your worm castings?  

I don't know about the size of the leaves being quite this big, but I would say it looks like a nut bearing tree, maybe a type of walnut or hickory.  I'm also in Eastern, PA.