Mikko Ahtisaari

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Thank you for prompt response Anne.

Anne Miller wrote:
How far apart are you planning to plant the trees apart?



Depending on the species. Min 2m to 6m between Trees. I do not mind species with extensive branches as it'll help me with more firewood but I am not sure if I should plant trees with shallow spreading root system to hold onto the land or deep root system so the roots will not disturb coffee roots.

Anne Miller wrote:
How far would the coffee plants be from the trees?



Depending on the width of terrace. One row of tree in each terrace in the edge. If the terrace is 1m or less than no coffee plants in that terrace. If the terrace is 2m, One coffee row around 50cm to 1.2m from the tree. In terraces of 4m, two rows of coffee and in terraces of 6m width, three rows if possible.

Anne Miller wrote:
How hard will this make your harvest of the coffee beans?



In my opinion there would be ample space to harvest the beans with hand, but I will definitely take suggestions from the coffee farm pros in the area before plantation.

Anne Miller wrote:
Here are some threads that might be of interest to you or others:

https://permies.com/t/51539/plant-fruit-trees-terrace

https://permies.com/t/163246/permaculture/Plant-Tree-placement-slopes-terraces



Thank you very much. You are wonderful soul.

1 year ago
Aloha! looking for some suggestions regarding planting trees and species for terraced hills.

I have recently purchased 10 hector of land in hilly regions which has slopes ranging from 12 degrees  to 19 degrees, the area is between 1600m (meters) - 1730m above sea level. So, it is quiet steep slopes in some places. The lowest temperature in the land in last 10 years was 1 degree Celsius and highest was 33°C, but winter ranges from low 4-8°C to high 8-12°C, whereas summer ranges from low 12-14°C to high 28-29°C, the zone is classified as sub-tropics but is really different landscape than most subtropics like Florida or Sydney. The place has great winter Sun and get around 6+ hours of daily sunlight whereas summer is typically monsoon with lots of clouds and rain and we hardly see the sun, just cloudy days for long stretch.

The previous owners were doing traditional farming by making terraces, their main crops were seasonal vegetables and paddies. The width of terraces range between 1m to 6m. They were not using chemical fertilizers in their land but where buying chicken, goat, cow or other animal manures from anywhere it was accessible, so no way organic, also they were using some chemical pesticides. I am one man army so there is no way I can farm 10ha alone, so my idea is to make it a food forest and grow organic specialty Arabica Coffee (Bourbons and Caturras) in most part and keep around 1ha for growing food and vegetables for me. I asked the organic coffee certifier in the country and they said to have organic certification the coffee must be grown only after 3 years of synthetic fertilizers and pesticides free land. As the coffee is shade loving plants I have 3 years to plant and grow shade trees. My idea is to make food forest with mix of Timber, Fruits and Nuts trees with coffee as main crop and other trees as side hustle to make my living.

I have already planted different varieties of Bamboo (I love Bamboo) for now and looking for ideas. My coffee idea is almost monoculture so I want to diversify with diverse varieties of timber, firewood, fruits, herbs and nuts. I have walked across the forest here to get some native ideas and mostly we have Pine, Spruce, Conifer forest where not even grass grows below the pine trees. I am open to experiment with non-native or exotic plants which can survive/thrive in our location. I am planting Paulownias and Poplars next as fast growing trees to have shades for coffees. I was thinking Balsa too but it doesn't grow in this weather. If you have any suggestions of the plants from different parts of the world that could do okayish in these territory then please do suggest me.

My main concern is the trees plantations in Terraces and make it erosion free. I have searched for ideas in internet but my computer skills are not that great. I have planted in slopes before but never in terraces. Please check the pictures below and suggest if it is okay to plant the trees in such a way to support the coffee plantation as main crop. I want to plant the trees in the edge of the terraces and plant 1-3 rows of coffee depending upon the width of the terrace. 1st one is the example photo of the terrace and 2nd photo is my idea of plantation. The Red circles are the Timber, fruit, etc trees and Blue circles are for coffee. How is this idea, does it increase the chances of erosion or will it lead to catastrophic disaster? Any suggestions is appreciated.

Example Terrace
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Plantation ideas


Please feel free to suggest anything that could be helpful and ask questions if you have any, lets talk.
1 year ago
Eric, thank you for your response and words of encouragement.

I checked the Nourse farms and they do not ship outside of US. There were few stores in UK with a bit lesser price but I think it is less of risk to use locally grown varieties as the plants are habituated of the climate.

Some raspberries varieties are a bit cheaper but 10€ was average price. This place is quiet closer to mine and they have good selection, I wish it'd come bit cheaper, or I might go with their cheaper varieties. https://www.pinsiontaimistontuotteet.fi/tuotteet/marjakasvit/vadelmat/605/

5 years ago
My hedge idea is just for decorative and food source rather than safety. We have mostly retirees as neighbours and they like to keep their lawn clean and fence tightened for their dogs. So no problem with kids or animals trespassing.

My another plan is to use hardwood logs after the berries hedge. I want to inoculate the logs with some mushroom dowels and lay the logs in the berries' shadow, acting as 2nd layer of fence and also mushroom cultivation. Oysters and Shiitake grows in Birch logs, I was thinking to try to exotic varieties that grows in hardwood like yamabushitake or some other medicinal mushrooms.

I have room for 2 big (full grown) fruit trees and I was thinking to utilize other space with semi-dwarf fruit trees, dwarf fruit trees, etc. Any ideas on these fruit trees is welcome too. Maybe some N-fixer too. Lots of planning, sometimes I think I am over planning and set for full disappointment.
5 years ago
Thank you Nathanael
5 years ago
Hei Permies,

I am new to permanent agriculture and here to learn more and practically try things slowly, also very limited on budget side.

I am here to ask for some suggestions and validate my ideas for a small permaculture farm in Akaa Finland. I have around 1200m2 (49m x 28m) of flat land in Akaa, the soil the clay, very hard clay that can retain moisture and get thick and suffocate plants in heavy rain and could dry out completely during lack of rain. The Ph is around 6-7

I was planning to make a fence like hedge using some berries that could be 1-2m tall. I was thinking about raspberries. Some online stores sells the canes here but god dammit it is so expensive, like 10€ per cane and I'd probably need 100 of them if I am going to use just that for fencing.  Any suggestions if there are places that can offer some raspberries and other berries cane for relatively cheap? I wouldn't mind free options too. If you have any suggestions regarding any other berries that could be used as hedge in southern Finland then please do not hesitate to write.

I will write more, as this post is getting longer and it might bore some of you

T.Mikko

5 years ago
There are few ones around you as well.

Check the Lillklobb in Espoo (a bit small one but working): https://www.lillklobbpermaculture.com

This guy's farm is amazing: http://iso-orvokkiniitty.fi

The permaculture association will soon have maps (not yet there) with all permacultures in Finland: http://www.permakulttuuri.fi/english.html

Few more:

http://punainentupa.yolasite.com
http://tyynelantila.fi
http://www.nordicminifarm.com
5 years ago