Lukas Muller

Thanks everyone for your answers!
I think I have enough info for this initial phase. Will bookmark the thread and revisit it with more questions next year, when I build the cabin and draw some plans for the heater.
Take care and all the best guys!
P.S.
Peter, if anything regarding your website, just drop me a PM here at the forum.

Peter van den Berg wrote:
Chimney (pipe) diameter need to be the same or at least very close to the riser diameter.

Great! Then it shouldn't be a problem. If I go with 180mm version there are 180mm pipes available at most of retailers.

Peter van den Berg wrote:In case you want to use an intermediate figure and are wary about using the spreadsheet I can do the calculations for you.

Thank you Peter, but as those pipes are available and as it seems 180mm version would be enough for a log cabin of 40-45M2 I think I'll be fine.(not 100% sure on m3 but my guesstimate is less than 200m3. I might build it as open space, without room ceiling, so I'm not yet sure about exact dimensions)

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Peter van den Berg wrote:In case you want to implement the heater as a true cube, the ISA should be divided by 5. For determinating ISA all the surfaces count except the floor. In practise, the heater would be higher than wide and deep because of the required minimum riser length. Don't worry about the walls of the firebox and riser, those should be insulated with superwool anyway. Don't forget the distance between riser top and bell ceiling (known as the top gap) should be equal to the riser's diameter at the very least

No, doesn't have to be a cube. I did some math but I assumed that it's ok to divide it by 4. Hence in this case....

17.5 cm  (7")   ISA 7.2 m²    (77.5 sq ft)

180mm version requires height of the riser of 1296mm

Hence...

7.2m2/4=1.8m2

130cm(raiser)+50cm(the top gap)=180cm of bell height

Therefor the dimension of a single wall could be 1m length x 1.8m height=1.8m2

Is this correct?

thomas rubino wrote:Hi Lucas;  Big Welcome to Permies! And a big Welcome to the wonderful world of rocket science!

Thank you Thomas!

thomas rubino wrote:Pay no attention to that unless you are a math wizz! I sure didn't. It has no effect on your bell size or box dimensions.

Quite the contrary, the less math I need to do the better :D Good to know that, one confusion less.

thomas rubino wrote:An 8" batch is a beast , very big.

Yeah, tru that. Good that you've pointed out. I was a bit overenthusiastic with the "always oversize" recommendation. The heat loss according to that sizing sheet would be about 5.6Kw so apparently 180mm would do as it's rated output is 6.4Kw. Had to guesstimate a bit as that cabin isn't even built yet but I don't think I'm off a lot.

thomas rubino wrote:Air channels)...So Peters comment referred to not using a P channel AND a secondary air tube on the same stove.

Ok, got it now.

thomas rubino wrote:So a batch can have a separate secondary air inlet OR the primary air inlet can be enlarged to feed both secondary and primary air needs. This is accomplished by shortening the secondary and placing a "blocking plate" to direct air to the lowest point in the batch.

 

Great info, thanks! I just need to make it as simple and foolproof as possible, when it comes to installation/building.
Which of the air intake options would be the easiest one to install?
Not that I'm trying to cut corners but I am fairly inexperienced in stuff like that. Enthusiastic, yes and not a dummy for DIY kind of work, yes, but that doesn't compensate for the lack of experience. Hence I'll have to keep it as simple as possible.


Hi Peter, thanks for your input! Good to hear from you.

Peter van den Berg wrote:Hi Lukas,
Thomas answered your questions already, bar the one about the calculated base number. That base number is used for to scale the combustion core and its parts without steps as in the provided table.

The table is fantastic for those like me who are math dummies, great to have it. If I had to do the math my self, the house would burn or I'd have a nice masonry monument in my house :D

Peter van den Berg wrote:...the chimney diameter..

Talking about chimney diameter, those chimney metal pipes I've seen selling online in my country are anywhere from 120mm to 200mm. So does the pipe's diameter has to be 180mm if the heat raiser's diameter is also 180mm or there's no connections whatsoever between any of heater's dimensions and the pipe diameter?

Peter van den Berg wrote:..above information and more is already on the website

Thank you for the website and giving it all away for free. It's a great resource and I went thru everything yesterday, before asking any questions, but there's a lot of info so I might have a gap here and there in what I've learned.

One more question. Peter says regarding the relation of batchbox and bell size;

17.5 cm  (7")   ISA 7.2 m²    (77.5 sq ft)

That would be, probably, one that would suite my needs. So ISA of 7.2m2 - that should be divided by 4(sides of the bell)? Or by 5 where the fifth surface would be the cover/"roof" of the bell?

Hey guys, I just started to learn about building RMH so that I can build one next year.
I've red everything on Peter's website and figured I'd need 200mm (8"?) version to keep my butt cozy during freezing European winters. One thing I don't get is the meaning of "Calculated Base" term? What does it mean, which part of the batchbox is it?
For example, in the 200mm version the base is 144mm which is too small to be the actual base of the whole thing. Hence I'm lost on that.

A side question I have is about air channels. Peter says in regard floor channel;

This secondary air supply duct is an alternative to the p-channel, not to be used in the same heater.

So that means there's only one air intake on a batchbox, whichever is more convenient to fin in?