Sandeep Suryavanshi

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I am a newbie starting a permaculture project near Pune, India.
Looking for help and advice.

Ready to help others any way I can.
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A few questions, Sandeep:
1. Do you know, or could you give us an estimate of how many of your whatsapp group have a permies membership?
>>>I am sure there are at least 5-6 people here already. Probably many more.  

2. Are they going to be willing to post topics relevant to India in the forums relevant to the topic in the short term?
>>>WE are already having a host of discussions about Indian species, farming practices, tradeoffs, sharing seeds and plants, homesteads etc. So I guess yes there will be lotsof topics to discuss.

3. Are you aware of our English Language posting rules?
>>>I am aware of forum rules in general, and most people in the group are fluent English speakers, so I don't see a concern from that angle.

4. Many members have run farms for many years and are highly experienced with vast knoweldge of plants, practices, India species etc.  

Hi Ann,

Here are my responses:

a. a name - preferably one word that describes everything
>India

b. a volunteer staff member to do the work (it takes about 20-40 hours)
>Sandeep (myself)

c. a thread introducing the forum that we can link to at the top of the forum
>Do we need a thread or a small writeup? There is a private discussion between me and another permies member Serafina on Whatsapp. Not sure if that is useful.

d. some words to put at the top of the forum to describe it.
>Members based or interested in Permaculture projects in India, India specific discussions

e. at least 50, but preferably 100 threads that would populate the new forum
> I think I can search India on the existing threads and they can be tagged under the new forum. I have read so many posts related to India already.  I am happy to this tagging once the forum is ready.

Cheers,
Sandeep
Hi folks,

We have a 252 member Whatsapp group named Permaculture India. Majority members from Central India, but quite a few from North and South too.
Lots of great discussion and networking happens on that group. So many topics are specific to India too...

We recently had a first get-together with around 20 people, near Mumbai.
Few of us felt that we are loosing a lot of Permaculture related experience and documentation of discussion that is happening on this Whatsapp group.

Can we have a Regional group for India here?

Regards,
Sandeep
This is perfect!

Thanks a ton Anne!

Cheers,
Sandeep
1 year ago
Hi folks,

I read about SALT model developed in Phillipines.
For my permaculture project this is highly applicable.

I was able to find some SALT 1&2 information but could not find SALT 3&4 information.

Can anybody please help with with this?
SALT 4 is about agroforestry and horticulture.

Cheers,
Sandeep
1 year ago
Thanks for a detailed post Luke,

I will start with a test swail to check if it works.

Cheers,
Sandeep

Luke Mitchell wrote:Sandeep, that is a very nice map showing the watershed. I'm sure it'll be a valuable resource for you.

My leaning would be to look at projects in areas with the same climate/rainfall as yours. Are there other projects in your area, on sloping land, that you could discuss your plans with? Thinking further afield, I know there are permaculture projects in Himachal Pradesh and Nepal that are on very steep slopes. Perhaps, if their weather patterns are similar to yours, you could start a conversation?

I know that mountainous areas in Nepal will build terraces for farming, often with large trees planted along the edges of the terraces. These terraces are then cut back on a cycle (I recall it being about 7 years): the vegetation that has grown on the vertical wall between terraces is scraped back and spread on the terrace as a fertility booster. The trees and other vegetation on the terrace edges will help to bind the soil together and prevent erosion, plus provide an occasional yield.

A consideration is the average rainfall, however, and the volume of water coming down in a period of time. I suspect that this might be lower in much of Nepal than for you.

Digging swales with a raised bank, planted with deep-rooted trees and other, matt-forming and fast-growing species, might be better for preventing erosion. This will give you less 'working area' than a terrace, although swales will eventually become terraces, given enough time, as the eroded soil from uphill is deposited behind the swale bank.

Another benefit of swales is that you could direct excess water into pools at key points around your site. The gradient of the swales would have be determined to allow as much of the water as possible to be absorbed by the earthworks - but to run off before they begin to collapse. I suspect digging some test earthworks, on a small scale, might help you determine this.

Have you encountered the Permaculture Guidebook from East Timor? Page 200 onwards talks about tree swale systems in a tropical climate with monsoons.

1 year ago
Hi Bengi,

That seems like a great idea.
A large swail pond at the top, almost along the southern boundary would mean great water absorption and no risk of any landslide.

Cheers,
Sandeep

S Bengi wrote:In your 1st picture you have a flat area, it is an inflection point. I would turn in into a huge swale pond that is 10ft deep, that wraps around the hill. You could then pump water back up to the top in the dry season.

As for the hill itself. Instead of doing swales on contour, I would plant grass on contour. So that it traps all runoff.

You can create biochar from the grass and twigs in the area and use that in your planting beds, they will require alot less water.

1 year ago
Mike,

Thanks for pointing me to the videos. Had seen one- the other one is new.

Cheers,
Sandeep

Michael Ritcher wrote:Hi Sandeep,

Have you seen these video?





They are about some projects in India that address similar, if not identical challenges  to yours.

I hope the links work for you.

I am not familiar with embedding youtube videos in a message.  Can some one point me to a tutorial?

Any way, best of luck with your project.


Onward,

Mike

1 year ago
Hi,

I have 40% slope on our land with sparse forest currently growing (location -Bhor, India with brown soil; 1600mm annual rainfall).
I am planning to add fruit trees and veggies ultimately.

With the steep slope, do I need terracing or will swails along countours be adequate to absorb the rain water? Any other suggestion to increase absorption?
Currently the brown soil is holding up quite well during 6 months of rain because of the forest. I am looking to reduce dependence on the external irrigation for the remaining 6 months though.  

Attaching the photo of the land and watershed.

Cheers,
Sandeep
1 year ago
Hi Luke and Anne,

Thanks for pointing me to the right forums.

I have posted my permaculture design questions with project info into the "permaculture design" forum.
Hoping members there can help validate/correct the design and give suggestions.

Wow- it's exciting!

Cheers,
Sandeep
1 year ago