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Lawren Richards wrote:I have a similar problem but with invasives rather than grass. Large animals are not an option for a variety of reasons. My first major invasive was knapweed; I tackled as much by hand (pulling it up) as I could for 5 years; in the last 2 years it’s been superseded by chicory. More than an acre of the stuff. I’ve been pulling it up by hand, but lately just clipping it to try to get ahead of it going to seed.  Property is a steep 2.5 acres. I’m intrigued by the rabbit idea, but would they eat knapweed & chicory?



Guinea pigs and rabbits can eat knapweed and chicory, but I have found it difficult to use a mobile pen on steep land.

I know you said large animals are not an option, but sheep and goats would thrive on knapweed and chicory and they're very good at navigating steep slopes.
4 weeks ago
I have trialled various animals for sustainable lawn maintenance over the years and found guinea pigs to be the most effective for high-use areas such as lawns designated for sports and picnics. Housed in a movable cage and repositioned daily, guinea pigs efficiently graze all vegetation within 24 hours. Unlike rabbits, they do not dig, allowing for an open-bottom enclosure. Their manure is dry, odourless, pelletised, and inconspicuous, making it ideal for areas where we walk barefoot.

Geese and Muscovy ducks are effective grazers; however, their manure is wet, sticky, and malodorous, making them unsuitable for areas near the home. I still use them in other parts of the property.

Sheep are efficient lawnmowers with similarly inconspicuous manure but would occasionally nibble garden plants. I use sheep in orchards post-leaf fall, where they contribute to weed control and fertilisation. While they typically avoid bark, they occasionally prune small branches. I cannot use them when trees are in leaf.

Horses and cattle are effective in lawn management, yet their manure and tendency to browse on garden vegetation presented challenges. Like sheep, I use them in orchard systems following leaf drop and in areas with well-established gardens. But be mindful of their size. They can easily push over smaller trees.

Goats and donkeys are incompatible with gardens due to their destructive behaviour, including defoliation, ringbarking of trees, and consumption of virtually all vegetation. I do love them, and they are very useful in other contexts (like clearing forested areas and woody weeds), but they are unsuitable in close proximity to gardens.

Rabbits, while potentially useful, cannot be bred on our property due to the release of biological controls (e.g., myxomatosis) by the Australian government to manage feral populations. A neighbour’s attempt to breed rabbits ended in total loss.

We use guinea pigs as a practical alternative to rabbits for dual purpose lawn maintenance and meat production. It is practical to keep small animals for butchering during periods when meat stores are low and there is insufficient time to process a larger animal. I am able to butcher them on my own, and my children can do so independently as well. As we live completely off-grid with a very small (1kW) solar power system, our access to electricity, and therefore freezer space, is limited. Consequently, maintaining live animals as a source of fresh meat is a valuable strategy. In this context, they serve as our version of fast food. We do not buy any feed for them. They live on grass, kitchen garden scraps and tree fodder during dry times (mulberry, tagasaste, acacia).

4 weeks ago

Don Ritter wrote:Doesnt Australia have many MILLIONS of feral donkeys that are wreaking havoc there? Someone was just remarking about one more bad situation for Australia....



Yes, feral donkeys can be a problem in Australia. But for permies, the problem is the solution...

https://youtu.be/ircmbPxfaK0?feature=shared

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-04/grazier-using-wild-donkeys-to-regenerate-land-in-legal-battle/104445766
I have used donkeys for livestock protection with mixed results.

I initially put donkeys in the same paddock as poultry and they trampled and killed some chickens, and broke into the poultry house and ate wheat, which resulted in bloat.

Secondly, I put donkeys in a large paddock with chickens in a smaller, portable yard within the larger paddock, with solar powered electrical netting. This was moderately successful, with no losses due to predation, however the donkeys soon learnt that whenever the electrical current in the netting was disturbed (touching grass, lack of sunlight etc), they could push through the fence, with the same results as above. They did prevent any predator from entering the paddock, which in my area is mostly foxes, wild dogs and feral cats. They also tried to kill my dogs and domestic cats (and they were very tame donkeys).

Donkeys are very intelligent and curious animals. My donkeys learnt how to unscrew a screwtop barrel of chicken feed. They will get into everything, and eat literally everything... trees, ornamental plants, anything that was once a plant (e.g. paper, books, cardboard, cotton clothing etc).

Lastly, I let the donkeys run with the sheep and goats during lambing and kidding. We have not had any losses due to predation, as they are very effective at preventing predators from entering any paddock they are in (including domesticated animals).

I have also used donkeys to eliminate unwanted weeds and improve pasture. In south east Australia, we have an invasive grass called African lovegrass, a low quality stock feed that is difficult to contain or remove, as seeds drift in on the wind. But lovegrass does not like excess nutrients or shade. I have used donkeys to strip a paddock of lovegrass and deposit manure, which resulted in improved pasture of clover, plantain, wild brassica, dandelion and Kikuyu spontaneously growing from the residual seed bank. I then planted it with tagasaste, mulberry and acacias to provide tree fodder and shade, so hopefully the African lovegrass won't return.

Donkeys need regular hoof trimming if they are contained or on soft soils and additional minerals if they don't have access to trees to browse. They also need the company of other donkeys. Donkeys make wonderful pets and companions with the right care and management.
Yes, BA is British Alpine. I am in temperate south east Australia.
2 months ago
I have had all the different breeds of milking goats at different stages over the past 20 years and found Alpine goats to be the best producers with the most docile, compliant temperaments. My Nigerian Dwarf goats always escaped way more than the taller breeds and were much more cheeky. Cute, but not practical. As I have gotten older, I have reduced my goat numbers significantly. I only have British Alpine. I have kept BA goats in milk continuously for over 7 years. I have even bypassed the need for kidding and the difficulties of managing a buck. BAs are prone to "precocious udder", where they start to produce milk without being in kid. I started milking my does when they presented with precocious udder and milk production increased all the way up to peak lactation (5-8 litres per day). The first doe I tried this with is in her second year of lactation and still producing well. They don't jump and are happy in a confined space as long as they have food, shelter and the company of other goats. They truly are the most amazing permaculture survival animals.
2 months ago
I use chickens to kill of Kikuyu. It's a very hardy running grass. I have found that if I continue to cycle chickens through several areas, they eventually kill the entire root system. This takes time and patience, but is healthier for the chickens, and reduces the feed bill. I have 3 runs. I will leave 12 chickens in a 12x12m section for 1 week, then move them to the next section. By the time they return to the same section, new grass and weeds have grown, meaning they constantly have access to greens. Over a 3 month period, they will have depleted the energy stores in the root system of the grass and it will be mostly gone. I mulch the 3 sections to use as veggie gardens for one season and then I cycle the chickens back through, as some grass and weeds inevitably come back. Doing this consistently eventually kills all the residual roots and seeds and makes beautiful soil that I never have to dig.
4 months ago