that crazy gov.

hey paul how about a thread for  government issues.

Nope. 

I want these forums to be about building good things and not about ranting about the gub'mint.  There are lots and lots of other places on the internet to rant about things that are bad.

lol i didn't mean for ranting more for information like tax breaks. or laws that affect permaculture

Well, I suppose there is no hiding from all of that. 

I've been running on-line forums for over 20 years.  95% of all forums devolve into one of two things:

1) fluff fest - lots of chit chat and zero substance

2) flame wars - six people in asbestos suits flaming each other while the 20,000 other people leave.

Discussion about politics or religion is like planting seeds for #2.  And whenever I start to delete that sort of thing (or, as I like call it:  choose to not publish it) then folks get mad at me for being a censor. 

So .... I'm trying to stay on this path of the 5% and constantly do teeny tiny pruning chores so that my tree doesn't grow into #1 or #2. 

I think a teeny tiny bit of talking about gub'mint stuff cannot be avoided.  And ... I think creating a forum for it would make a breeding ground for pruning work and for people to hate my guts when I delete stuff.

My innards are uneasy at this whole line of thinking. 

i got cha 

been there done all that.