SOME rock dust is absolutely the cheapest way to buy in critical nutrients NECESSARY for agriculture, while SOME rock dust might be bogus, in SOME soils.
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M Troyka wrote:...Loess with zero topsoil and zero OC is equally productive as loess with 10ft of topsoil.
M Troyka wrote:Another thing that's been mentioned here, although incorrectly, is greensand.
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M Troyka wrote:I would imagine conditions in alaska would be very different than for loess in other climates, although maybe not? I would assume at least that black dirt would give you a longer growing season than pale loess would. OC might also hold more water, but I don't know about that, either.
M Troyka wrote:I'm not sure about greenstone either. There's only a few things called "greenstone", most of which are serpentinite based, and serpentinite is poisonous to plants. Chlorastrolite is a possibility, but is almost always used as a decorative stone, and greensand is also called greenstone. I would assume highest likelihood is that they're talking about greensand.
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M Troyka wrote:The link you listed seems to suggest a distinction between greenstone, basalt and hornfels. I think "greenstone" may refer to "greenschist", which apparently contains significant Mg and Ca. (also chloride and sometimes sodium)
Also, it may be possible that the "bare loess" in your area is depleted of minerals. I've heard of that occurring in some places, often by human meddling, but I think it generally occurs when mineral rich organic matter erodes off of its spent subsoil.
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Aranya wrote:One interesting book on the subject though is 'Paramagnetism' by Philip S. Callaghan (Acres USA). His experiments showed that materials with a high paramagnetic value appeared to be of significant benefit to plants and animals. Some rock dusts, basalts in particular, do have high paramagnetic values and this may be one of the reasons why it has been shown to be a beneficial soil additive, though not all rock dust is the same in this respect, different quarries produce dust of different values. Which is where it gets complicated again as there are many potential sources of rock dust and a special meter is required to take these readings.
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Of course, adding organic matter to feed the soil life usually gives the greatest improvement for the least effort, but minerals are important too. Dynamic accumulators have already been mentioned and in my experience, those plants often considered rampant weeds are actually there to repair the damage done by us. These plants, which I see to be nature's paramedics, are often those best adapted to seek out and accumulate the very mineral elements that have been depleted, often only leached down to lower levels. Because these plants are so good at finding these elements, they have an advantage over the others and are well placed to exploit this niche. Over time they pump the missing minerals back to the surface through their process of annual leaf drop and surface root shedding. As the topsoil becomes better balanced again, succession will overtake these specialists and biodiversity increases. Alas, most folks dig out the very plants that are there to repair the damage to try and grow others less well adapted to these challenging conditions. I figure that a good compromise is making a liquid feed from a patch of accumulators to feed any areas of soil that have been cleared of these pioneers to grow other plants.
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Aranya wrote:
Of course, adding organic matter to feed the soil life usually gives the greatest improvement for the least effort, but minerals are important too. Dynamic accumulators have already been mentioned and in my experience, those plants often considered rampant weeds are actually there to repair the damage done by us. These plants, which I see to be nature's paramedics, are often those best adapted to seek out and accumulate the very mineral elements that have been depleted, often only leached down to lower levels. Because these plants are so good at finding these elements, they have an advantage over the others and are well placed to exploit this niche. Over time they pump the missing minerals back to the surface through their process of annual leaf drop and surface root shedding. As the topsoil becomes better balanced again, succession will overtake these specialists and biodiversity increases. Alas, most folks dig out the very plants that are there to repair the damage to try and grow others less well adapted to these challenging conditions. I figure that a good compromise is making a liquid feed from a patch of accumulators to feed any areas of soil that have been cleared of these pioneers to grow other plants.
Thank you very much! I have been trying to make this exact point without much luck getting it across.
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Annie Hope wrote:Hi- continuing an old thread - but I wanted to pick up on the comment about using river sand as a rock dust. The closest source of rock dust is three hours away, but 1-2 times a week I go to a monastery church in the valley of the Tararua Ranges (New Zealand), and there is a river beside it with rocks and sand of various size for the taking.I don't know what type of rock it is (though I do know it is dredged into huge piles and collected nearby by the truckload - I think by a road-building company), but I am wondering if I can only do good by collecting a few buckets of sand each trip and spreading it round our 8 acres. We are near the ocean on very flat land. We have sandy soil, but no mountain run-off.
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