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Paul and Katie continue to talk about Hawaii and how it's different from Montana.

Katie says the main work income is either government, military or tourism.  Later they discuss the wealth disparity which is about the highest in the US.  There's an issue with young folks moving away to the mainland to get jobs.  Tourism is highly valued due to the money it brings, which can be an issue for local people, but without the tourism, a lot of people would have no job or income.

Paul tells us of a man he met who was talking about Belize: like Hawaii  it has a year round growing season, but there's a downside, as there are a lot of parasites.  In Montana they don't spend much time thinking about mold, fungus or parasites.  Hawaii has a problem with feral chickens and feral cats which eat the chickens, and the cats all have fleas.  Paul says he's not seen any fleas on the cats at his place.

When Katie moved to Hawaii it was mostly due to the year-round growing season but since then she's learned about techniques to extend the growing season in colder climates, so maybe that isn't such a big deal after all.

Paul feels his style of permaculture is well suited to Montana: he grows a bunch of stuff, harvests it, spends time canning and drying and making jam and all that part is good for his soul when he looks at his nice full larder.  In Hawaii you wouldn't need to store stuff for the winter.  In Montana they've grown a lot of Sepp Holzer grain, and Paul had to stop people from grinding too much flour because flour only keeps for a month or so but grain keeps for 10 years.

Montana is noted for having 300 days of sunshine.  However when Paul moved to the west coast for work, what he missed most was proper rain.  Seems the rain in Eugene pathetic misty stuff.  Katie says in Hawaii you can get 10" of rain in a night, which is one thing that impresses Paul.

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Paul and Katie continue to talk about Hawaii and how it's different from Montana.

Katie says the main work income is either government, military or tourism.  Later they discuss the wealth disparity which is about the highest in the US.  There's an issue with young folks moving away to the mainland to get jobs.  Tourism is highly valued due to the money it brings, which can be an issue for local people, but without the tourism, a lot of people would have no job or income.


Without tourism, the military, or the wealthy, local peoples would not suffer. These three things put the island way in jeopardy. The Pearl Harbor is filled with refuse from ships coming and going. The fish and coral reefs are dying off because of this. Little is left for local residents who never believed one can own land. Hawaiians shared everything. Took care of their elders until their death. Three and four generations survived in one community of huts. Fish and poi, along with the many fruit and vegetables that used to feed the masses are covered over with houses. What is left is not Hawaiian or paradise, but it sure used to be.
 
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Tourism, the military, and the wealthy absolutely put the island in jeopardy. Native Hawaiians had sophisticated agricultural technology and society, and were self sustaining and successful before colonization. Unfortunately big businesses and more powerful countries forced their hand. Now the situation is messy, because the imposed systems are unhealthy and the old systems (of community and agriculture etc) are squashed. This forces almost everyone to need a money job and creates this reliance on tourism etc. with the land primarily in control of big business owners and the US government. If the goal was to create healthy systems I believe healthier systems could be created. The current structures of power benefit from the current system so they are unlikely to change right now.

An idea I overheard was for everyone who pays property tax to pay an additional tax to the native tribes or to a Hawaiian sovereignty organization in their area. Perhaps power could start to flow differently.
 
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