Joshua Myrvaagnes

Joshua Myrvaagnes wrote:https://youtu.be/EJs51qdCJr8?si=oyMVDgcr6jefKJs4

Wow, no metal, no masonry, I’m so curious to watch the rest of this. Thoughts?

Well there’s smoke in it all the time and it’s more of a survival thing.

Also it’s AI slop, partly accurate info and partly hallucination. Still, really beautiful images in there. And I learned of a construction style I hadn’t known about.

Anyone have a better resource on Saxon pit construction?

https://youtu.be/EJs51qdCJr8?si=oyMVDgcr6jefKJs4

Wow, no metal, no masonry, I’m so curious to watch the rest of this. Thoughts?

The article has a lot of flaws in it, from what I’ve skimmed, and it concludes hugelkultur is not viable. The reasoning makes very little sense, and goes against about everything commonsense that Redhawk said in his post.  So, the jury is still out in my book, it would take some more digging to find out if these particular references are valid. I don’t know if there are actually some listed in the description of the video itself, and this is not really a high priority for me to get to the bottom of it.  I’m just going to conduct my own tests in my landscape.

Thanks, M, to be clear I don’t know whether it is AI generated or not. And even if it is, I don’t know whether it’s scraped valid information or not.

Quick web search on research brought me this list of references, many of them are fairly new:



Adams, A. 2013. Hügelkultur Gardening Technique Does Not Result in Plant Nutrient Deficiencies and Is a Potential Source Reduction Strategy for Yard Trimmings Wastes. University of Wisconsin-Madison Student Project Report.
Beba, H., and H. Andrä. n.d. Hügelkultur—die Gartenbaumethode der Zukunft, 10th edition. Waerland-Verlagsgenossenschaft, Mannheim, Germany.
Binns, H.J., K.A. Gray, T.Y. Chen, M.E. Finster, N. Peneff, P. Schaefer, V. Ovsey, J. Fernandes, M. Brown, and B. Dunlap. 2004. Evaluation of Landscape Coverings to Reduce Soil Lead Hazards in Urban Residential Yards: The Safer Yards Project. Environmental Research 96(2): 127–138.
Chalker-Scott, L. 2013. The Science Behind Biodynamic Preparations: A Literature Review. HortTechnology 23(6): 814–819.
Chalker-Scott, L. 2021. Using Arborist Wood Chips as Landscape Mulch. Washington State University Extension Publication FS160E. Washington State University.
Cogger, C. 2017. Raised Beds—Deciding If They Benefit Your Vegetable Garden. Washington State University Extension Publication FS075E. Washington State University.
Harrison, E.Z., J. Bonhotal, M. Schwarz, and L. Wellin. 2005. Compost Fact Sheet #6: Compost Pads. Cornell Waste Management Institute.
Haspel, T. 2015. In Defense of Corn—The World’s Most Important Food Crop. The Washington Post, July 12, 2015.
Hazan, S.M., J.S. Cowan, Q. Kang, and H.C. Cartagena. 2021a. Evaluating Hügelkultur for Pumpkin (Cucurbita pepo L.) Production in Kansas. Hortscience 56(9): S89.
Hazan, S.M., J.S. Cowan, Q. Kang, and K. Fan. 2021b. Evaluating Hügelkultur for Season Extension in Lettuce Production. Hortscience 56(9): S191.
Laffoon, M. 2016. A Quantitative Analysis of Hügelkultur and Its Potential Application on Karst Rocky Desertified Areas in China. Western Kentucky University Honors Thesis Project.
Miles, C. 2013. Home Vegetable Gardening in Washington. Washington State University Extension Publication FS057E. Washington State University.

The other thing that was interesting about this was it said that a researcher had documented the origins of hugelculture in the 60s, and that it was a 500 -year-old practice. Maybe this can clear up some of the confusion of whatever’s gotten lost in translation between Sepp and America.

https://youtu.be/FKvBRtE13jw?si=6DPZInBsoE9akmqU

The algorithm sent me this very encouraging video about Hugo culture that cited some academic studies about this, but I’m wondering if it’s AI hallucination. A lot of the information was accurate, but some of it was a bit, unsure about it.

If it is all accurate, then this is a really great corroboration of a lot of things that folks and Permies have been observing.

That’s true, and it’s also just something I never thought to do a web search for. There are a lot of of these small companies that fly under the radar.

One of the hurdles is that they’re not allowed to say which networks towers they are operating on, so people just have to know I guess. For example, the cooperative runs its network on the towers of one of the big four companies, but it seems they aren’t allowed to put a service map up on there website. I’m not sure that’s accurate, but they don’t have a map on there at this time as far as I know. And they’re not allowed to say which company they have the towers on.

I remember reading about worker owner co-ops in some early Permaculture text, it might have been Bill Mollison.  This was years ago, I don’t remember much more than that, just that it struck me that a format for a business could apply Permaculture principles.

Recently, I learned about a forming worker-owner cooperative for cell phone service, also owned by members. It will open once they have enough member owners, and you could pay as little as $15 a month for a cell phone with minimal service.

telling people about this co-op led me to hear about other companies that I hadn’t known about, one which is reputable as being very reliable, but is more targeted to senior citizens, and another one which is somewhat unreliable in terms of the set up, and has no customer service, repeatedly. So it’s a gamble, but if you do manage to get it to work, it’s about as inexpensive. I can share the names of the companies if anyone wants to know, but I’m not trying to advertise specific companies, just to say there’s resources I learned about that I had never thought to look for because I assumed that there was no way to save money in this area.

I like the coop model especially — the idea of keeping our money within the local region, analogous to soaking, spreading, and storing water that rains on the landscape.

I had no idea how much of the money that I’ve paid to a big four telephone company each month is just going to shareholders, rather than the actual cost of the service, and it makes more sense to me to have the feedback mechanism stay local.

I think it’s really neat that worker owner coops are starting to form in areas where they haven’t previously existed in America, in film distribution, filmmaking, and there was even a proposal for collective ownership of Spirit Airlines! It got a lot of money pledged to it.

The cost is just having to be involved a little bit, a yearly members meeting. The benefit is considerable when people cooperate.

Thoughts?

Skirret
Good King Henry
Alexanders
Scorzonera
Rampion
Salola soda (commonly called Agretti or Burill)
Orach (also called mountain spinach)

Anyone see this video that randomly is popping up on youtube? mediaeval vegetables that don't sell well for commerial use and went out of fashion but are easy to grow and tasty, can be harvested again and again through the seasonn, or self-seed, the video claims.  But since it's got AI images the claims may be inflated.  My gf grows orach and had heard of Good King Henry but not the others, they sound more my speed than fussy annuals.  But on the other hand they are not native to here.

My "throw some sunchokes out" has not worked out nearly as well as I had hoped.  My soil is so so so sandy.  What wants to grow here: peach trees (I'll have a crop this year if the late frost doesn't crack them next week...and by late frost I mean normal time frost but after an 80 degree day in early April, @$$#$@#), and sumac trees, mulberries and chestnuts are chugging along but not amazeballs, wild carrots really love it here but cultivated carrots seem to say "you got this, I'll let you be the carrots here" and the wild ones say "I rule this joint, die mofos."  So, that happens.  The sunchokes are few and not deep and tiny and sad this year..trying new soil from a landscape company that he had to drop somewhere (he paid me!), and also mulching the sunchokes a bit.  Raspberry PLANTS grow well but I got almost no berries.  Bittersweet grows well, hazelnut shrubs do OK but again not a lot of nuts. Oaks and acorns do fine.  Some shag hickory, though my trees have never produced.  The apple tree at the bottom of a slope, gangbusters yield, the ones at the top almost nothing.  Same with crab apples in the neighborhood. And groud cherries do OK.  

Since sumac isn't really a food plant I use it like daikon radish--build soil, give some shade in spots, draw nutrients up from deep down.  It's my companion plant and emotional support animal.  Maybe I can coppice them?? I don't know.  Chop some branches off for mulch nearby?  

radishes in the imported soil beds did pretty well last fall, I had greens until December.  Survived under the snow even.

dandelions do pretty well, violets do amazing and I am sick of the flavor now so i will not be eating much more, and one forage chicory germinated out of the thousands of seeds I scattered (and nowhere near where I planted it).  So that happened.  I hope it self-seeded there and I get some more this year...

garlic doesn't do terrible, ad walking onions don't walk.  They don't die but they don't walk either.  I mulched them, I helped them, they still just didn't have enough water.  

Grape vines doing OK, no grapes yet.  Doesn't anything want to fruit around here??  Other than the legacy (conventional, treated with black sludge on the trunk) apple tree, it seems like the answer is usually a resounding no.

And my pond died

I may try to get me some low tannin oaks.  There's a black locust next door and I got some honey locusts from Hershey line, they're surviving but have remained small small.  It was a super drought this last year, but this year is a water year so I think we'll be OK and things can finally get a toehold.

I may sonic bloom some things this year if I'm not too lazy or unmotivated.

Thanks for letting me process.