J.P. Waters

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Born on the Bayou in S. Louisiana (former cattle farm: horses, chickens, ducks, geese, dirt bikes, barn repairs, tractor repairs, outboard motor repair)
Graduated University in Northern California (BS Engineering UC Berkeley)
First job 8 years in DC
Moved to San Diego
20 year technology career both working as a team member and leading teams
Began a journey to understand progressive digestive issues in 2006-2011
Learned:
- Epigenetics in 2000 (for youngest son's health recovery)
- Learned methylation pathways 2003 ( ^ )
- Power of a cleansing diet in 2011 (life changing - to address my own digestion issue)
- Power of mushrooms for health in 2025
Learned that the digestive issues were rooted in losing our suburban home & entire neighborhood in San Diego's 2003 Cedar fire. It was such an intense fire that steel, ceramic & concrete were the only things left.
> Through that experience and the rebuild, learned about intelligent Wildland Urban Interfaces, firebreaks, firesafe (re)construction, firesafe landscaping, and lots more re fire safety
- Led the neighborhood's effort to self-fund the doubling of our firebreak along the entire Wildland urban interface. We made the local and national news (all networks) because we used goats to clear the brush (lots of people volunteered to assist me and together, we were successful (despite HUGE amounts of bureaucratic red tape))
We had to coordinate with Federal, State, local officials, individual homeowners and the HOA to get it done over a multi-year period (and it has been maintained ever since). Many people said the only reason they were able to stay insured was because of our efforts.
to be continued...
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Hope you enjoy!

There is a scene in that book where a local is yellling at him and waving his arms across a waterway.

He is sure Harlan is a spy.

Harlan goes directly to him in his boat and works it out face to face and they become friends.

In Louisiana Bayous, people usually carry guns, but that didn't deter Harlan.

He usually finds an elegant solution to each problem.

18 hours ago
You can get a sense of their editorial style from their newsletters:

Here is a link to Dec 2025

https://hoe-farming.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/subsistencegardener_dec25.pdf

And back issues can be found here (scroll down on the landing page)

https://hoe-farming.com/newsletter-2/
23 hours ago
Just saw this on YT, thanks for sharing!
1 day ago
Saw this technique on YT and had to check to see if it was permies approved.

Thanks so much for your detailed post Nicole! And to all who chimed in.

Hope to play with this technique in '26, much obliged!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts MLin!

Your perspective helps me think about it all in a new way, so thank you! I'm grateful for your perspective.

I'm marinating on your thoughts and hope to come back with something useful in the coming days.

In the meantime, hopefully others can share their perspective and let us know if the stats were useful.

Cheers!

1 day ago
Thanks Christopher, very pleased to hear you enjoyed (2) of Harlan's books.

I am still new to Permies, and I just did a basic search and came up with zero hits. So I figured I'd start a thread devoted to them.

Harlan's story is incredibly inspirational for both adventurers and homesteaders and I enjoyed contemplating how Anna really encouraged him to build the boat and married him to join the adventure.

I hope you have time and  enjoy reading the short article links I posted as well. Interesting to hear how kind and hospitable they were.  

Did anything in those two books inspire you in a concrete way?

Cheers,
JP
1 day ago
Thanks Jackson, I did want to work out the stats directly from the source data myself, although it had been verbally said to me.

I do think it is a useful exercise. Plots are helpful too and they are in the Siri written testimony as well.

My main reason for posting  is because (accoring to the Nuremburg code) this combination of info should be available to each person presented with the opportunity to vaccinate.

After the tragendies of WWII, it seems we (as the human race and especially in the US) are backsliding as a people.

Overview of the Nuremberg Code
The Nuremberg Code is a set of ethical principles for human experimentation established after World War II. It emerged from the Nuremberg Trials, specifically the trial of Nazi doctors who conducted inhumane experiments on concentration camp prisoners.

Key Principles
The Code consists of ten essential points that outline the ethical standards for conducting medical research on human subjects. These principles emphasize the importance of voluntary consent and the welfare of participants.

The ten points are:

Point Description
1 Voluntary consent is essential. Participants must have the legal capacity to consent and be able to make informed decisions without coercion.
2 The experiment should yield fruitful results for society.
3 The experiment should be designed to avoid unnecessary physical and mental suffering.
4 The risks should not exceed the benefits.
5 The experiment should be conducted by qualified individuals.
6 Participants should have the right to withdraw at any time.
7 The experiment should be stopped if it poses a risk to participants.
8 Proper precautions should be taken to protect participants.
9 The experiment should be conducted in a way that respects the dignity of participants.
10 The results should be made available to the public.

Significance
The Nuremberg Code has had a lasting impact on medical ethics and research practices worldwide. It laid the groundwork for subsequent ethical guidelines, including the Declaration of Helsinki and the International Code of Medical Ethics. Although it is not legally binding, it remains a crucial reference for ethical standards in human research.

Sources: Wikipedia, jamanetwork.com



Opinion alert: It's my opnion that this is NOT a political issue. It's much deeper.

This is the truth as best and I can elucidate it. And eager to discuss with anyone wanting to discuss the verifiable facts and to willingly and proactively distinguish between facts and opinions.  

It's important to remember that vaccines are given to healthy newborns often on the 1st day of life. They cannot choose for themselves, we need to think deeply about this issue with ALL THE FACTS AVAILABLE and in accordance with the Neuremberg Code.

It's obvious that the safety standard for vaccines should be much, much higher than (for instance) oral pharmeceuticals for adults; but because of Govt interference (National Childhood
Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 - socializing the substantial risk and hazards of manufacturer incompetence and negligence, but privatizing the profits), they are MUCH, MUCH, MUCH lower safety standard for vaccines and often non-existent. (please see Page 6 of the Siri-testimony.PDF (above))

For instance the HEPB routinely given to neborns on their first day of life in the US (but not in Singapore) shot was monitored for SAFETY FOLLOW UP AFTER INJECTION for FIVE DAYS. (see the attachment that drugs have safety follow-up durations of up to SEVEN YEARS). It should be obvious that any person or entity claiming this product (HEPB)  is safe and effective is not being honest nor ethical and reflects a COMPLETE FAILURE of our regulatory framework.

Like everthing else, when we are trying to affect change, we need to vote with our wallet.

And even is a product is free, we can still decline it to vote NO on the process used to offer it and condemn the entire framework that brought it to our feet.
2 days ago
Good morning Judith!

I'm pleased to hear your interest is piqued; I hope you are inspired to share with your kids and grandkids!

Here is a wonderful (bandwidth friendly ) piece that describes What it was like to spend time in their company at

https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/harlan-anna-hubbard-shantyboat/

And another well-crafted essay about a 2025 visit to Payne Hollow:

https://22rivers.com/2025/08/01/a-return-to-harlan-and-anna-hubbards-payne-hollow/

Cheers!
JP

PS Will send you a PM as welll.




2 days ago

Jay Angler wrote:

J.P. Waters wrote: Hopefully what we can have 100% agreement on is that the gold standard for medical interventions is double-blind, placebo controlled study. Can we agree on that?


Sorry J.P., I have seen some really horribly done double-blind, placebo controlled studies.

Good studies are very expensive and money is tight, and many of the people doing the double-blind studies are being done by people or institutions that have motives that simply aren't as lily-white as we'd like them to be.

One of the better studies I read years ago, the doctor clearly had a bias and when the results contradicted his bias, his response was to not only suggest that there were faults in the system, but that the placebo effect could be as high as 60% . I actually agree with this last bit. I think many things which appear as "health" problems, our bodies can fix if we improve people's nutrition and decrease the stress from all sources, and give them the emotional support to trigger a really strong placebo effect.

However, there are other diseases that have a lifetime impact and genuinely high risk of death - Measles and Polio being two examples. I do agree that diseases rise and fall, only to rise again. Right now, measles is ascending, and the immunization has a sold track record and many children risk permanent damage to their immune systems which personally, I think is greater than any risk from that specific immunization. That does not mean that I agree with infants receiving immunizations for 20 different diseases at 2 months of age. However, the solution could include paid maternity leave so that parents can stay home with the child rather than risk their constant exposure to other virus multiplying children in large daycares. It can be helped by honest reporting by health authorities as to which immunizations are truly critical at any time. It can be helped by people working together to come up with compromises rather than encouraging extremism and conflict. It can be helped by improving our education system, and including high school courses involving quality information about how the human body works. And it can be helped by fixing our economic system which rewards people making huge amounts of money at the expense of the population at large.

Immunizations are just one flash point in an overall system that many average humans feel is beyond their ability to influence.  Sometimes we can do more than we think we can, but at the moment, I'm going to go and influence my favorite chicken, instead of trying to influence electrons to do what I want them to.



Thank you too Jay, we agree far more than we disagree! Hope the chicken work went well! <3
2 days ago

M Ljin wrote:In permaculture, we are good at finding ways around false dichotomies. Can we think of something beyond vax/no vax?

We have all decided that spraying is a bad idea. But what if a disease does exist? Then we try to make use of diversity to confuse the pestilence. We make homes for natural predators, improve the health of the soil, think holistically.

There are a lot of positive things we can do to avoid illness that aren't vaccines, but modern "society" considers the costs of vaccination, whatever they may be, to be acceptable. Modern society also considers spraying vegetables to be an acceptable cost. We don't have to accept the "spray or have a harvest failure" dichotomy rule our gardens, nor do we have to have the "vaccinate or die of infectious disease" dichotomy rule our lives & health. There are a lot of ways to be creative and try doing things differently, like staying at home through the winter and not travelling by plane.

I am reading a history of the neighboring town. In former days they had figured out that if they made a sickhouse where people could be cared for and quarrantined. Some signed up to get sick so that they could get immunity to common diseases in a relatively safe and nourishing environment. It definitely wasn't Heaven but neither is anything else. (Back in the day, or somewhat before then, people would often live into their hundredth decade hundreds.) (🤣)

I think that modern humans have difficulty realizing that life contains suffering that will happen whether they do X or Y. Worst of all, we tend to export suffering to poorer countries and poorer people (which is another discussion unto itself). Whether we vaccinate or don't people will get sick, in different ways. Spraying seems to help world food security but doesn't in the long run, it makes people sick and destroys the ecosystems that sustain us. Maybe I will write more about this, but I think that the more we realize the limits of our power, the happier we can be in our hearts and the more at peace with the world.

There definitely are ways to make things better... but my experience has shown me that all the things we do out of fear, end up coming back and hurting us in the end because fear encourages short term thinking. In some ways this is necessary and contributes to the beauty and diversity of the world, but when we lose track of the root of life, things start plummeting quickly.



Thank you! It's very nice to be on permies!
2 days ago