Smy O

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Animals can be so tolerant of our ways.

I know this has nothing whatsoever to do with permie ish ness,
but once I went to Sea World and got sucked into the "show".
they told the walrus to give me a kiss.

I, being a very shy but eager crowd pleaser, leaned over to the walrus, expecting it to give me a faux "kiss".

What I got was a fishy-faced creature literally sucking on half of my face. 

Yes, I understand I should not have been there supporting the exploitation of animals. I did not know that then... I'm just
relating the unexpected result of the situation at the time....

14 years ago
So far we've only done hugelkultur because we've been taking the
"whatchagot" approach.
What we "got" is no time to make biochar.

Although Soils comments about making biochar were intriguing!
Please please post more about how to make biochar...
14 years ago
I guess she didn't tell you that you have to spend ALL the time with a lone sheep.

You can milk almost any breed of sheep, but the milk breeds have larger teats and produce more.
14 years ago
I agree with Raptelan.
Life is life. We  all take it but none of us can  ever restore it once gone, no matter how simple or "lowly" it may have seemed.

Categorizing life as having more or less value based on how similar it is to us is hubris to the nth.
14 years ago
I wonder what they wear.  Cotton, Linen  and plant based fibers are not known for being warm enough in harsh climates, even if they would grow for these people.

14 years ago
The negative review that was posted a while back stated the
Weston Price Foundation is a " a non-credible group that bases its recommendations on the opinions of a dentist who wrote up his observations of indigenous populations in the 1930s."

First of all, Weston Price conducted scientific studies and wrote about his finding - these were not merely opinions.
Granted, the way studies are conducted now has changed since the 1930's. However, WEston Price recognized that these studies needed to be post haste, because he realized that the information was soon to be forever lost - as more and more cultures were being
infiltrated with a Western diets. 

It is sad that his work does not stand up to the scrutiny of modern methods - but it's the best we will ever have, and it's better than nothing, IMO.

I am a former veg that has converted to a traditional diet much like the Weston Price Foundations.  I came to it by learning from raising animals.

The first thing I learned was that adaptation to regional foodstuffs is a very important and powerful phenomenon - one I saw a strangely ignored by modern nutritional "experts".  WE all know you can take an animal breed that is adapted to lush pastures, put it on the range or desert and watch it starve, while breeds of that  same species who adapted to range, will thrive.
WE can put the range species on the lush pasture and watch it die of bloat or worms... 
Why do we acknowledge these differences among animals but not humans?  Why do the experts keep insisting they will find "THE" optimal one size fits all diet? I believe they have not and never will because it is a figment. 

Second, I learned that adaptation takes time, but not thousands of years!  I don't see any sense to go back to a caveman diet.
I just need to go back into my own ancestry a bit - to see when my forebears were healthiest. 
In my case,  my healthiest and longest lived ancestors ate  very much a Weston Price style plan. To my delight, I  have found that eating this way suits me better than any of the crackpot dietary plans  I've followed in my lifetime. 
I'm content, satiated, and feeling very healthy.

OK that was a very longwinded way to say that I don't believe claims that vegetarian or vegan diets are "healthier"  because it's another one size fits all idea.

Animals are part of nature so of course we can't say they are bad for the planet. Only bad agricultural practices are bad for the planet. 

That leaves the killing part. 
But we can't live on earth without killing. Brushing your teeth or washing your hands  is a daily genocide, for example. So the killing point comes down to the great arbitrary line. Which things do we accept as Ok to kill, and which not? 
The one factor that remains, no matter who you are or what you decide, is that line will ALWAYS be arbitrary.  Whether it's ok to kill everything but other humans, or other humans and cute pets,
or nothing that is we define as sentient, or whatever. 



14 years ago
I don't know much about her or her farm, but I do know that she recently ran a pretty, glossified article about mini cattle - and she happened to endorse a farm that has equally glossifed website -
but a horrible reputation with customers...

It's of interest to me because I've been following a trend in the yuppie mag world - they are getting careless.

Hobby Farms ran an article about a Wool CSA. One of the featured photos was of an underfed, parasite ridden sheep in pathetic condition. (The farm owner had a reasonable explanation - the sheep was a rescue. The magazine had no excuse for publishing such a photo without realizing this was far from a healthy animal. )

It's a mixed bag. I'm happy these rags create interest in alternative livestyles. But geez, they dont' seem to have any
basis in fact or accountability for what they are publishing.
14 years ago
UGH, NY!

In NY the law says it is illegal to make raw milk "available" without a license.

can't sell it, can't give it away, for any reason, including pet food.
I can't legally give raw milk to a neighboring farmer who wants to feed it to an orphan animal, for crying out loud.

The ok-with-endless-regulations-crowd argue hey! just get licensed then.

Ha!

The first thing you learn when you apply for a license - the regs are very vague and ambigous. They tell you, call us out to see your farm and we'll go over your plan with you.

Right! Then it all depends on who is your inspector, and if they like you or not.  I know of farms that have really easy criteria.
Others are given inequitable and outrageous criteria -

for instance - a one cow dairy needs a separate septic tank for the milking parlor.  A tear in a screen door can cost you your license if your inspector is grumpy or you piss him/her off...


14 years ago
One of the common names for Chenopodium is  "Fat hen"  and I thought that was a pretty good indicator that I should grow some for my flock.

It's a self seeding annual - they say it can be invasive so to take care where you plant it. 

I tried some this year but had no luck with germination. I bought the seed from Bountiful Gardens. I'm not sure if it was a problem with the seed or something else, but next year I'll try this source:

http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/SeedlistCE-CL.htm

I do have some wild growing lambs quarter's but the chickens never get any - cows, sheep, and goats chow it down before they can get to it.

Recently I read that lambs quarters and chicory both have more protein than alfalfa.
14 years ago
I guess the confusion I'm having is understanding if you are wanting 100% grassfed? 
The typical dairy animal will not thrive on hay alone - although if you are willing to sacrifice some quantity of milk, you can work towards that goal.
IF you know of a jersey breeder who has been breeding with grass management as a goal, that would be a help - but I've found jerseys are rare as it is - finding a herd that lines up with your permie nature, as well, would be a lottery-winning kind of lightening strike! 

I understand the hesitation with goats - I was the same. I did goats anyway just to see if I would enjoy dairying as much as I expected - and I did -
I was glad to move to cows.  I have a jersey and a mini jersey. I'm planning to cross them, though, in order to get animals that are hardier and better on grass, while retaining some of the dairy character.

If I were going to do it all again, I would have either gotten a grass managed beefer and milked her anyway, or better, look for a beef/dairy cross. I learned a lot from the goats, but looking back, the time lost while I "played" at that wasn't worth it.
14 years ago