haha, they do say a sucker is born every minute. Sounds like a big ripoff she uses on the big following she has. Definitely not what permaculturalists should aspire to.
As for it being a ripoff - I suppose if she billed it as something it is not, then it would be a ripoff. But I don't think that is the case.
Over the last year I have learned some powerful lessons that there are different interpretations for what permaculture is.
I'm going to say that Mary Jane Butters has done an excellent job. And, I wish such good fortune on everybody here.
Therefore, in contrast to your statement "Definitely not what permaculturalists should aspire to." I'm going to say that I think this is something that I would hope many permaculturalists would aspire too.
I bet Oprah could get people to rent boxes to live in, in a Chicago alley for 5000 a week, just because of her crazy following, doesn't make it right.
The issue I have with some of the farm income topics you bring to our attention are that they aren't realistic. Its like telling every kid that plays in a play in highschool, they'll make millions as a movie star, or every kid that plays sports that they are going to make alot of money in professional sports. People are going to crash and burn if all they think about is how to make the most money out of a permaculture system.
And obviously you stated there are alot of interpretations of what permaculture is. So I guess that is why there may be some disagreement with this stuff. I think capitalistic views have flooded the idealogy behind what true permaculture is. And when treated like that, it becomes just a shell of what could ideally be attained.
if we really want to replace the dreaded modern agriculture, agrotourism shouldn't and won't play a part in it
but Interns generally aren't worth the food you feed them
i feel that permaculturalists should do more to reach out to the public besides charging yuppies and trustafarians over a grand for a week long class
My goal is to make freaky big piles of money from a farm that is vastly superior in quality.
Ken Peavey wrote:
The farm is not sustainable if the bank takes the land.
A worker is only as good as the person who is managing them. In my opinion, if you can't kick your interns into gear, that's your problem, not a problem with interns in general. I have mixed feelings about interning.....I've been one and I don't feel that I was burden, rather contributed a lot to the place I was temporarily living. Next summer will be my first time on the other side of the relationship. We're being very selective, as in, the college age couple living in LA right now who most recently wrote us about the ad.....probably not our best option.
paul wheaton wrote:
About a year ago I got a subsciption to MJ's mag with the thought "she's found an excellent channel to collect a premium price for her organic product: good marketing." I thought that by observing what she was doing, I might be able to emulate some of that.
But I have to say that I am dropping the subscription. The sexism is just too much for me. I appreciate that she might have niche: women bonding with women with an organic farm theme and fancy pictures. And I am not a woman.
I wonder if there might ever be a farm magazine that is blatently for men, just as MJ's magazine is so blatantly for women? I suppose backwoods home is close - but, no, I think they might have a 50/50 gender appeal. Farm Show? I suppose that not many women are interested in that, but it isn't loaded with columns clearly labeled to be for "farm boys" or for men.
But, now I'm straying away from the smart business model and toward a debate on sexism.
I suppose there is damn good money to be made in feeding into [s]racism[/s] sexism. I just wouldn't be comfortable doing it.
I still think there is a lot of good things to be learned by looking at MJ. Just try to look past the blatant sexism.
paul wheaton wrote:Here is a stellar income model.
I have never been to MJ's farm, but I have heard from several people that have been there: there's not that much to it, really. But! She gets people to come to her farm and pay $2500 to stay in a tent for a week. And they help out on the farm.
Granted, it's a really nice tent.
Apparently, she got a million dollar advance on writing a book.
And her magazine is loaded to the gills with excellent photography and layout - a very professional mag.
I think that this income model is a mix of art and agro-tourism.