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  well a few dozen domesticated rabbits were released into an area with an abundance of foods, and rabbits. then for 2-3 years the wild rabbits had colorings just like the domestic ones and it slowly trailed off..... Wild colorings often being dominate in a species.
 
the wild rabbits didnt have this coloring before or after, there or anywhere else Im aware of.... this would be quite a coincidence if what looked like happened, wasnt what happened. In fact Id think the law of probabilities would be greatly in the favor of it being exactly what it looked like, and such things arent uncommon in other semi related species either. Let alone when humans force breed things, japan has done some that were as distantly removed as that, in relation to domestic birds species. Lots of others, but they did many.

60 domestic rabbits X probably 100 plus (no way to know but there were hordes of them Im being really conservative) equals one heck of a lot of chance breedings. And now that im thinking on it more, it was excluded to one section of the farm, about 200 feet from where the rabbits were released was a old canal full of trees. Only saw these along there. It would of only needed to work once....


 
14 years ago
i said that as well, but I also saw it. So it can happen.
14 years ago

K.B. wrote:
Most domesticated rabbits (European type meat rabbits) are Oryctolagus cuniculus, while many wild rabbits (North American cotton tail types) belong to the genus Sylvilagus, so not only are they a difffernt species, but genus as well.



As are the two animals that bred readily to make mules. From which viable mules have existed although very rare.
14 years ago

  well i know a guy who would send them to you anyway, out of ohio. as far as he is concerned legal issues are your problem not his. what about koi? those are available in most states, besides maine that Ive ever found, not that I looked for each state. Koi are the common carp except unlike the mirror or israeli carps which were bred for food, thse were selected out of food carp for being colorful. A friend of mine in cali cant source local common carps, but can get koi.
14 years ago

Casey Halone wrote:
maybe I need to look into getting wild rabbits to hang around my area then? let them do their thing and spread like rabbits? breed with meat rabbits?



a rabbit breeder told me that meat rabbits are european, and wont breed with our wild rabbits in the states. Ive got no idea how much or little he knows but he did indeed raise rabbits...

One thing though is I know he is wrong. I worked on a farm that had a bunch of fenced in free ranged rabbits. the farmer raised them for his grand daughter, and shed play with them when she was around. Well they kept over breeding so he released them on the farm.

the first year after that about half the rabbits we say running around were mostly wild style of fur, but with patches of blocks of color. colors you see in the released domesticated rabbits. After relating this to the breeder I knew he told me it was a fluke and not related. I pressed the issue, because well... it was rather clear, and the prominence of the patched colors slowly trailed off as you would expect if a cross HAD been made....

he then told me that at best it would of made a mule and it couldnt breed, and he might of been right, but then the trailing off of colors kinda hinted that wasnt the case. I later came across rare but real proof even mules have bred before!!! you could literally breed a new animal with massive amounts of mules presumably. which releasing a few dozen domestic rabbits could of done the same thing, they do indeed breed like rabbits. so if even one was capable of breeding and having babies, it would account for what I experienced...

so long story short, it may be possible but it might be hard to tricky, to bordering on a "fluke"
14 years ago


    I actually wanted to get rats I saw in the pet store. It was a decent sized breed. it was hard enough though to get my wife to accept raising guinea pigs for food. If it wasnt for her mom being from south america it might not have worked.  I might try rats sometime down the road anyway though, as i like diversity, and those things i assume eat pretty much anything.
 
      better feed conversion ratios? Id never heard that.....
14 years ago

Brenda Groth wrote:

any people in zone 4/5 have tilapia out in a pond (not in a tank?)



You might consider the common carp. Tilapia is as much bottom feeder as carp, and acquires the same poor taste in the same conditions carp do. this might not be apparent because we are used to mainly farmed tilapia. You can look into the feral tilapia in florida, they are despised just as the carp, not because of invasiveness, but their poor taste in such conditions. I have yet to eat mine, but carp wins blind taste tests when raised right, tilapia does not.

that said....

you can grow tilapia in a pond, but the temp has to be over 50 degrees for most tilapia and 45 for blue tilapia. But you really want it warmer then that, as getting to close to that level can hurt the fishes immune systems. Lots of work being done on this, but it seems they arent thus far able to lower the acceptable temps for tilapia to much, but have success in breeding for better tolerance of the 50 degree temp range, so it doesnt stress the fish as much as it does.

Lots of people will grow them in the colder regions, they simply keep some good breeders inside in winter, and as the pond warms up to a good temp, they stock them into the pond. If conditions are ideal they will breed FAST. they grow real fast to, but might not get "full" sized in your given season, but big enough to eat. then youd have to catch some breeding sized ones again, and save them over the winter....

Many people with ponds that have meat eating fish like bass or trout, will stock with tilapia each year. the tilapia breed like mad, in a decent sized pond you'll never catch them all, but as it cools down the tilapia will slow down, and it will be a feast for the bass or trout, and yet the tiapia never take over because the are caught by you or the other fish each and every year.

You will not be able to keep them outside over winter unless you find a way to keep the waters temp atleast above 50 degrees. If you figure out a way to do that, then youd be fine. Ive seen people who have used geodesic domes and other means to greatly extend the season, although not really feasible for a pond, and im not personally aware of anyone pulling it off over winter.

hence a thread on common carp, which really should regain its place in american fish farms. with the right breed it outgrows tilapia, can be tastier(according to many sources but I will let you know if im still on here when I eat mine this summer), MUCH larger, easier to feed (not that tilapia are hard to feed compared to most fish, but carp are even easier), and of course its cold tolerant..... both have been farmed for 1000s of years in various ways.
14 years ago

John Polk wrote:
Quite often in a cockless chicken environment, one of the hens will actually take over the role of crowing.  I know of a lady in an urban area that prohibits roosters who gave her "roo" to a friend outside of town.  A couple weeks later the "roo" started laying eggs!



very interesting.... that certainly might imply is isnt possible... Im going to try selecting for quieter birds anyway though.... you never know...
14 years ago

TFox wrote:
Is anyone out there deliberately selecting for roosters with the least amount of crowing, generation after generation?  The urban folks could keep their own lines going and not need to buy chicks every year.



I actually think this might be possible and Im going to try, but I doubt I will be raising enough chickens anytime soon to pull it off.

I got interested in trying a few months back and tried studying it. what i found is several breeding projects that altered the quality or length or sound level of the roosters crow. Kinda like how people with motor cycles might change their mufflers to have them sound different.

I also found a few offhand mentions on various chicken forums, of people with a nearly silent and in one case totally silent bird.

So I might as well try I figure, Im also going to work at one that is a heavy layer, and personable.

Im not positive Im going to be raising enough chickens this will be feasible, but your right it would be a neat trait for urban folks...

If anyone has an unusually silent rooster, or one who has a lower level of sound to his crow, and is a banty... Id love to get some eggs from one of his ladies.
14 years ago