The Dirt Surgeon

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I won't claim to be an expert on fruit trees.

But if they were treated badly before, and you're starting to do right things... be patient.

It takes a while for trees to recover. Maybe a couple of years.

Tree diseases are almost always a reaction to a problem in the soil. It can take many moons to fix soil. Don't expect immediate results.
12 years ago
Leaves you can use as mulch... or compost them.

Either way, they end up in your soil. Either way is good. Leaves are the leftover nutrients from your trees, minus the chlorophyll.

Leaves fertilize the trees they fall from... so if you rake them up and move them somewhere else, the trees will lack. Prioritize.
12 years ago
Hm.

Well... if I were you, I'd drop out and just start going and doing stuff.

Everything you're doing, and everything you want to do... can be learned for free with a little help from your friends, Google and Wikipedia.

But I don't know what level of arrogance you possess. I gather it's less than 5 out of 10, or you wouldn't be asking random internet strangers what to do with your life.

As far as managing school debt... heh. Run. Never change your address with the Post Office. Student loans and herpes, both acquired in college, are with you for life.

I dunno, man. I hesitate to give advice. My advice is good only, apparently, for people like me, of which there are 3.

If you're gonna work in a commercial greenhouse environment, I'd suggest learning Spanish.

Otherwise, save a few grand, buy a place in South Dakota, and give the finger to civilization.
12 years ago

I do not understand people who log on, use a web browser, and post on the Internet complaining about having to pay for permaculture information. On YouTube alone, videos are going up faster than I could watch them in 8 hours a day at the computer, and the rate is accelerating. There are e-books, PDFs, blogs, websites, pictures, stories, forums. This forum. Paul Wheaton gives you... how much space, Paul, is your data storage alone? Couple terabytes?

There are petabytes of free information out there.

Every bit of information you could possibly desire is online, except hands-on work.

If people did that work instead of complaining about how much free stuff costs, they'd have some experience too.

That's not even as bad as the people who expect me to travel to the other side of the state -- or to another state -- and tell them how to do earthworks, for free. (Unlike permaculture, I didn't get to learn that for nothing on the internet. Did that the hard way.)

Anyway.

Back on topic. Multiple income potential. I live by this. The writing was on the wall by the time high school teachers were haranguing us to go to college, get a degree, get a career, yadda yadda. There was rapidly getting to be no such thing as a stable career. Now, while my peers with their fancy degrees are working as part-time coffee-jerks ("barista" sounds a bit elitist for such a position) because, whoa, their specialty is in the tank... I have my truck, my tools, and go wherever I feel like my time will be valued. Sometimes it's tough not having that steady paycheck. I don't know what I'll be next week -- carpenter, welder, mechanic, software engineer. But I wouldn't trade it. Except for a nice farm.

It's sort of a permaculture lifestyle. Planned versatility. Economic diversity. Biological diversity. Same idea. Kudos to Herr Holzer, I say.
12 years ago
Wow... what an intense thread! After reading it all, two main thoughts come to mind. (I didn't necromance it, so don't blame me. )

First, I've spent quite a bit of time exploring in the Rockies. I especially like stomping around mountain meadows and admiring Nature's little engineers, the beaver. It's pretty clear why there are meadows. If we didn't have beaver, they would just be steep, rocky, roaring runoff channels in the spring, and dry come summer. I have to think that's where people got the idea to build gabions. It's also interesting to note, in late summer, just how far the lush green areas extend past the marges of beaver ponds.


Second, I'd like to put the upstream/downstream hydrology thing into a continental context. Let's take the Mississippi River, from its outflow into the Gulf, all the way to the Continental Divide. Its catchment is about 2/3 the land area of the lower 48 states. (I don't know for certain, just looking at a map and taking a guess.)

So far as we know, the Mississippi has always had its floods, but we can hazard a guess that they weren't always so bad. The floods used to deposit silt on the Delta. Now the Delta is washing away. Why? Obviously more water is flowing down the river, under less control. But why?

Engineers. Both civil, and the Army Corps type. The goal of civil engineers, for decades, has been drainage, drainage, and more drainage. Make that water run off downstream as fast as you can. Mix that with the hundreds of thousands of acres we cover with more concrete, asphalt, and other impermeable surfaces (haha, like conventional cropland), and we have a recipe for disaster. Now see how important those little beaver dams all over the mountains are?

The problem with flooding on the Mississippi... and of course the Ohio and Missouri rivers too... is not torrential rains. It's runoff... and the bulldozers that have been speeding up the runoff for 75 years. They burn and bulldoze vegetation along the channels and streams. They poison cattails. They dredge the rivers. All in a vain effort to speed up the water... which is exactly what's causing the floods they're trying to prevent!

So, to get at Emerson White's assertion -- yes indeed, there are consequences downstream.

The solution, I think, does not lie in multi-billion-dollar FEMA projects and million-man-hour government engineering think-tanks. We don't have to slow the Mississippi itself, directly. We don't have to touch the Platte or even smaller tributaries. We just have to slow the runoff where it starts. Think beaver dams. One beaver dam might not do much, but a thousand of them will be noticed in New Orleans. Millions of gabions and check dams and farm ponds will slow the river, save the towns, bring back the silt deposit. That's just for starters. Imagine millions of acres in perennial culture, absorbing the water it sheds now, rejecting the plow.


Mr White asserts that slowing water upstream will deprive someone downstream of water. Perhaps for one season, or a few if there's drought. So it's true, temporarily. But all the water inevitably, thanks to gravity, ends up somewhere downhill of where it fell. Whether it pops out in springs, or recharges the Ogallala aquifer, or overflows your check dam in a rain... it's going downhill. No one will be deprived of anything but flooding and FEMA trailers.

The one certain inevitable result of increasing upstream storage and infiltration, and slowing the downhill flow, checking the runoff -- is that there will be more water stored on the land, for use by everyone. Once the water hits the Gulf, we can't use it. Think of holding it back as charging one ginormous battery.

Think big, Mr White. We can no longer afford not to.
12 years ago
I wonder sometimes if ethics, over the course of history, haven't spent more time justifying wrong-doing than guiding right-doing. And just while typing that sentence, right now, I realized that "wrongdoing" is a word in English, but "rightdoing" isn't. Pity that. I hereby coin "rightdoing" in hopes that it will spread.

So I guess I would be with Paul on this. If we try to use ethics -- which should be in air quotes -- to get what we want, we have to accept that there are as many definitions and interpretations as there are people. It's why Jewish law, the Torah, is short... and the Talmud, the interpretation, is the size of an encyclopedia. I figure any attempt to spread permaculture on ethical grounds is like other Congressmen accusing Newt Gingrich of ethics violations. Who am I to judge anyone else's motives? My motives, my principles... they're mine. I guide myself by them, most of the time... and I can teach them to my kids, just because they're mine, and they're young and impressionable. That's about it.


Thus, when it comes to chem-ag, I don't see it as an ethics discussion. It's a "this shit is poison, it's dangerous, and you're killing us and the wildlife" discussion. Which isn't really a discussion; it's fact. It didn't take long to figure it out. "Silent Spring" was written before I was born. We knew that chem-ag was causing serious harm, even genetic harm, before one generation (of humans) had gone by. Now it's 3,4 generations later; still we spray&pray. I think we'll find that it's not ethics humans have a problem with -- it's logic. Basic, simple logic. "Hey, let's spray this poison on our food and then eat it!" Ethics don't begin to enter in to it. That requires a higher functioning set of synapses than humanity, collectively, is capable of yet.

Mollison talks about something beyond ethics, beyond principles, yet simpler. Directives. Here's a list of stuff to do -- adapt it to your situation, and start doing. Here's a manual of ideas and techniques. Start using them. Doesn't matter what your religion, your morality, your ethics, your motives. Just get your shovel and get busy.

Leaves a lot less room for semantics, doesn't it?

12 years ago

Marty Pixley wrote:
It means an air driven tamper rather than a hand held hammer to tamp the earth into tires.




I was just watching a documentary yesterday about the "Earthship" houses. I'm watching guys beat dirt into tires with sledgehammers. And I'm thinking, these guys need a pneumatic tamper! They already use mortar mixers, jackhammers, power saws... so it's not like they shun power tools.
12 years ago

Brian Knight wrote:
Oak Ridge National Labs has done the most research on thermal mass benefits and from what I recall, Bakersfield CA and Phoenix are the only two areas of the US that thermal mass only walls can make sense. Both of which are high desert areas with consistent wide dirurnal swings.



Best example yet of the failure of government research! I cannot picture any way in which a thermal mass wall could be built without an insulative value. Can you?

There's also a lot more high desert with wide swings than Bakersfield and Phoenix.


Brian Knight wrote:I would say the major deficiency of NA home building is air infiltration followed by insulation. Thermal Mass is way down the list after the likes of attached garages, ducts in unconditioned spaces, and ventilated crawls and attics.



Those are all problems, yep. But...

Brian Knight wrote:I agree with carpeting being a bad idea but forced air is one of the greatest things most homes can have.



This is my major beef. Forced air heat is the absolute worst, least efficient way to heat a house, bar none. I don't care if it's one of those modern 99% efficient furnaces that can vent out PVC. It's still less efficient than the clunkiest old hot water radiant system.

Why? The key is radiation. Radiant heat. I can measure the air temp in two houses... say it's 62. In a forced air house, that will feel frigid. In a radiant house, that will feel like 70. Radiant heat warms everything; forced air heats only the air... the very least imaginable reservoir of heat! Water can hold heat. So can brick, stone, concrete, adobe... hence the term, thermal mass.

Yes, forced air systems are cheap. They're cheap because they're crap. As Dale points out, it's a Band-Aid for bad house design. So is air conditioning. If it were up to me, code would ban them. Maybe then architects would start designing houses that work.

There is nowhere in the lower 48 where passive solar heating does not work. A few years ago, I built a house in the Colorado mountains, 10,000' elevation, where -30F isn't uncommon in winter. The backup boiler has never been used. It's just a combination of south glazing, good insulation... and lots of thermal mass.
12 years ago

Holy thapsus.

If anyone wants to buy seeds, PM me.

I haz dem.

Gypsum is calcium sulfate.  I see no problem.

Can you give more details?
13 years ago