Allen Jackson

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Pretty sure that's not 3-phase, but rather split phase or single phase 240 - there are 2 hot wires, a neutral, and a ground. 3-phase will have 3 hot wires, maybe a neutral and a ground.

It looks great, job well done, just not 3-phase?
12 hours ago
Everything I've done in this job could be done similarly in any residential or commercial location, provided one has the space to put it.

The BB submission was primarily "what" I did, while this post is much more about "why" did I do it that way.

In the client board meeting I was invited to attend, where they were discussing this project, it was suggested that I install a Tesla Powerwall, and I suggested that they could do much better, and for much less money too.

How does this compares to the genuine Tesla Powerwall?  Both of them are 120V/240V (split-phase).

According to published specs, the Powerwall V3 has an inverter capable of 11.5 Kw power output continuously (V2 was only 5.5 Kw), with peak capacity of?? (They publish a 185 LRA*, but no duration I've found, like most of the other manufacturers), for starting heavier inductive loads with high inrush currents. The battery pack is rated at 13.5 Kwh, and V3 can have up to 3 additional 13.5 Kwh battery packs added.  It also uses the same LiIon battery chemistry that the cars use, which is more energy dense than LiPO4, but more dangerous and typically with a useful service life of about 500 cycles.

For this, one only has to pay $8-9K, plus installation costs, and I don't know if one can buy just the hardware and install it themselves, because of the 10-year warranty. Typical installed costs are $12-16.5K for a single unit, no extra battery packs. While it does have a 10 year warranty, it also has NO user-serviceable parts inside, so when the batteries degrade, one can only send it back to Tesla for service...

This "DIY" version uses LiPO4 battery chemistry (although that's up to the builder), and they take up much more space than the equivalent LiPoly batteries would, but much safer/not subject to thermal runaway or fire if abused. They also have a useful service life of 8000 cycles, so their TCO is much lower. I used the fairly common EVE MB31 cells, rated at 314 Ah, which gives each box of 16 a capacity just over 16 Kwh, at a cost of about $2.2 K/each (last time I checked), although pre-tarrif costs were below $2K before. The BMS the boxes come with can support daisy-chaining up to 16 battery boxes together, for a maximum capacity of 256 Kwh of storage.

These boxes are Basen-Greene branded, and they can be purchased as empty boxes ready to add your own batteries, or as a kit including batteries from US stock, or shipped directly from China, depending on stock on hand, and there are many other very similar options from a variety of manufacturers. As a downside, nobody will offer a system-wide warranty on something that you assemble yourself, but OTOH, if you build it, you can probably fix anything that might go wrong, AND you can replace or upgrade any of the components, as you see fit.

I chose the EG4 6000XP inverter, because it can scale in a variety of ways, and it DOES have a UL listing, so that will make your inspectors happy, and possibly your insurance agent too. Rated at 6 Kw continuous with peak power output of 12 Kw, these can be ganged in parallel to combine their power output ratings, up to 9 units, and EG4 makes larger ones if that's not enough power. They can even be ganged to provide 3-phase power, if that suits the need, although it will require at least 3 of them to do so.  The EG4 6000XP can be stacked, up to 16 units, for a maximum output of 256 Kw, so this size seemed a good fit for that job, and probably good for most single family residences.

Currently, they're priced about $1630/each, and vendors will sell directly to the consumer. That makes the cost of going this route:

$3260 for a pair of EG4 6000XP inverters
$2300 for a single battery box & batteries

For the comparable capacity of the Tesla Powerwall 3 = $5560, plus tax & shipping (many vendors offer free shipping from time to time too)
Buying an actual Tesla Powerwall 3 = about $9000 plus tax, shipping, and probably mandatory installation to tack on an additional $5K+

Now factor in the cost to expand the system, and the "DIY" leaves the Tesla in the dust, in my opinion. Granted my opinion is heavily colored by the fact that I CAN install my own, as my wife is quick to point out and it will never occur to me to consider the Tesla system... Your mileage may vary.

For anyone considering similar, keep in mind, the lifecycle and replacement costs make lead-acid batteries a caustic money pit and the total cost of ownership is MUCH less with LiPO4 battery chemistry and while LiPoly offers much less space/weight, that's probably not a critical factor in a stationary installation - at least not nearly as much as it would be in a moving vehicle.

12 hours ago
I don't know if this will count, as I hardwired a new 240 volt circuit with breaker, for a minisplit, but there's no outlet involved - it's wired to the disconnect directly.  A few years later, I had to move the wiring to a new sub-panel, and I have more pics of that than the original installation (I installed the minisplit before).

I don't have any pics of the disconnect, but if needed, I can get them, it's still there... What I can't do, is show a picture of the spot outside where the compressor unit is installed - before I installed it.

If I can find pics that show the wire/conduit runs before, these might also be able to count toward the BB of running wire 20', but I don't know if I took any before shots of that...
18 hours ago
This can be at best, delayed gratification, but I at least have photos of the adventures, whereas I don't have any of the "sand" level tasks I've done - they were done prior to me being aware of the existence of badge bits, and usually completed too quickly to get pics...

(Disclaimer) This install is a paid job I did for a client recently. I am a professional IT consultant and technician.

A client is running a startup business, housing their servers in their (residential) basement. I've never met most of the employees, as everyone works remotely, but the residential grid power isn't always the most reliable, and they found out the hard way, that their typical computer UPSs would only keep the servers running for about 15 minutes. After an hour and a half downtime, they decided to seek my help/advice. There's a small standby generator, but it's only sized to keep the sump pumps running and the furnace. It preceded the startup, and the property owner didn't want to replace it with a higher capacity one.

I measured their power usage for the server room (I think that's one of the lower tasks, but I don't have any pics of that part), and I proposed an expandable "DIY" version of a powerwall, because they mentioned that they needed to expand their server capacity to keep up with their business growth. They were drawing about 5Kw, just from the server room, so I suggested a 6Kw system that could be expanded by adding more units and networking them. We discussed their preferred up-time (hours, not minutes), and where the powerwall could/should be installed. Initially, the server room was supplied by 2x 20 amp 120V branch circuits for the servers, and a 30 amp 240V circuit for the minisplit AC system that cooled the room. Their planned expansion would increase their power usage to possibly 8 Kw.

I ended up installing a 100 Amp sub-panel to supply the inverter(s) - allowing for the planned expansion, a manual transfer switch (to be able to do maintenance on the inverters and bypass them while keeping the servers running, and a load-side breaker box for the branch circuits of all the server room equipment. I also installed a new light fixture in the space, to make it easier/safer to work in the room, and a separate 20 amp GFCI outlet on its own breaker, mostly for tool/utility use in the space. If I can find pics of that, I'll post them to the lower level task threads...

All high voltage wiring in this area, is required to be in metal conduit, so new conduit runs were needed. I hadn't previously ever worked with bending 1" EMT conduit, so that was an adventure and a learning experience for me. I did have a helper, but as they were skittish about working on high voltage, they worked on assembling the battery boxes while I worked with the conduit, the hydraulic knockout cutter, populating the breaker boxes and connecting the AC wiring.

They helped with the heavy lifting to mount the unit on the wall, and pulling wires through the conduit, among other things that aren't relevant to this submission.

The lithium iron phosphate batteries were ordered directly from a Chinese supplier, prior to the tarrif wars, as were the first 2 battery boxes. The initial system capacity was 6 Kw continuous and 32 Kwh battery storage. The following year (6 months later) they decided to go thru their planned upgrades and a second inverter was installed, along with 2 more battery boxes, bringing the system capacity up to 12 Kw and 64 Kwh of battery capacity. The initial system proved itself well, as there was a 4 hour 19 minute outage during a major storm, where the residents were out of town, got notified by the utility company of the outage, and couldn't do anything about it... The system ran flawlessly and none of the remote users even knew that power was out!

After that, they accepted my recommendations to expand the battery capacity to 4 boxes, as the inverter capacity can be independently expanded, separate from expanding the battery capacity.

It's hard to assess how much of the time was spent on the powerwall part, as there was a lot of other things going on during this project. The relevant processes we went through were:
1) site location and capacity planning {30 minutes}
2) installing new conduit for the sub-panel feeder {2 hrs}
3) locating/mounting the sub-panel {30 minutes}
4) pulling wire from the main breaker box 60' to the sub-panel {45 minutes}
5) locating/mounting the bypass transfer switch and load breaker box {60 minutes}
6) installing new conduit from the server room for the branch circuits, since we were moving them to the new load panel
through the existing walls/ceiling {4 hrs}
7) running wiring and installing new breakers to bring mission-critical systems back online {1.5 hrs}

(We'd gotten permission for a 24-hr maintenance window, to shut everything down for this, with the promise that everything would be back up in 24 hrs, and that future expansion wouldn't cause additional downtime. During this window, several of the rackmount cabinets were rearranged to make more room for more servers and more conventional UPSs, in addition to installing operating systems on the new servers in an adjacent room, replace aged UPS batteries on the old UPSs, install the new UPSs, etc.  Most of that isn't documented here because it's not relevant to the BB)

After the power was restored to the server room, we could install the inverter and batteries with less pressure to "get back up ASAP, so we took the night off and came back the next day. We did build a rolling platform for the battery boxes, because of their weight, but that time isn't relevant to this submission.

installing the plywood mounting board with blocking behind it {60 minutes}
9) installing the concrete backer board (the inverters are supposed to be installed on a non-combustible surface) {15 minutes}
10) mounting the inverter on the wall {10 minutes}
11) running wiring for the inverter supply and load {30 minutes}
12) making custom battery cables {30 minutes}
13) connecting the batteries to the inverter, and bringing it online {2 hrs}
14) testing power outages to see if the system works {5 minutes}

Some time afterwards, we were called to upgrade the server room with more servers, which required adding 2 new 30 amp branch circuits to the load panel, the related new conduit, an additional inverter, and a pair of additional battery boxes. I include a picture of the expanded "DIY" powerwall setup, although I don't think it's a hard requirement for meeting this BB.


1 day ago
These are the after pics:
2 days ago
As I look thru the requirements for these badges, I'm coming to the realization that I might never have opportunity to get them, because nearly all of the items listed in the "Straw" group are minor/easy things, most of which I've already done, but didn't take pictures - I just fixed the problem at hand...

I did remove and replumb all the gas piping in my sister's basement because it had mixed galvanized and black pipe fittings, and I did take pictures of that job...

Can I get credit for the lower level with a more advanced job submission?

These are the before pics:


2 days ago

Shawn Klassen-Koop wrote:
Large articulating solar panel system ala Solar Leviathan (40+ square feet) - 40 points
  - also earns 40 points of Metal Working (Iron)



It occurs to me that as technology has advanced over the years, perhaps the physical size of the requirement maybe should be replaced by the capacity? Solar panels tend to be more efficient today, with higher power outputs than what appears to be 250 watt x 12 that was used in this project - would not any 3Kw mobile array meet this need, or must it be 40+ square feet?

(Edit:  After re-reading the requirements, I realize that the "mobile" part is optional, but nice... The question still remains, should this be graded on its physical size, or on its electrical capacity - for the electrical BB?)
2 days ago
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Just for my own education, as I've never been to WL, what's the difference between a "Jamboree" and a workshop? Are these like boot camps?  If not, what's the difference between a boot camp and a workshop?

Just trying to set my expectations correctly and make the most of my visit...

Thanks!

Samantha Lewis wrote:
Hello Allen!


Here is the link to our cabin rentals:

https://permies.com/wiki/sepper


Thanks!

My wife is onboard, as long as we can bring our dogs (2 well-behaved great danes).  I'll show her the cabin options tonight when she gets home from work.

paul wheaton wrote:I think that all the cabins are open except cooper cabin.  



Where can I get more information on obtaining the use of a cabin for that week?