Robert McEvoy

Tony, I pretty much watch the show for you guys. Moving into our first house next week and are excited to get started doing some stuff. Have about a dozen trees another dozen bushes and about 400 seedlings to plant.

How about ramps, fiddle heads, grapes, pine nuts, frog legs(the animal), I was thinking of things I could get around here with my bare hands.

bob day wrote:I'm sorry if it seems i'm only being critical, i watched that link, seems like a good guy, and much better than a lot of what is going on out there.

I just don't believe it has much to do with sustainability or permaculture.

Mainly trying to help the original poster in the concept. She was not looking for permaculture or sustainable. It became a thread topic at some point when it was deemed impossible to be sustainable. It can certainly be sustainable, but not on what she is looking to spend and still be able to make a profit.

Margaret Taylor wrote:Wow! I didn't expect this to spark off so much debate! Sounds like we're getting into a philosophical discussion about what permaculture is and whether microgreens count.

(Naively) I thought permaculture just meant agriculture that could be carried on indefinitely. A Wikipedia check tells me there's a lot more to it than that.

So, does your growing operation need to have no outside inputs to be truly permie? Do you make sure that your inputs come from sustainable sources as much as possible? What happens when a sustainable input isn't available?

I'm living in a cold-climate urban environment and I don't own any land anyway, so I was planning to grow indoors. I'd increase my electricity and water consumption to an extent, and I hope to recycle the soil if I can get a compost going. That leaves the input of seeds as an unknown for now.

I thought that I left a post about an urban cold environment person doing this without a greenhouse? It explains everything you could pretty much want to know and is in a 25 minute video and a link to visit the actual site and the opportunity to take classes if you like.

Well I will say again that I posted a link to youtube.com that has a guy who runs his own company out of an old shipping container and uses solar and delivers with his bicycle. I think that is a step in the right direction if there is one here.

This guy is really great to listen to if you want to get some ideas or good information if you are looking to do some small scale or urban farming. He does try to do things as sustainable as he can in many aspects to the point that he bikes/biked his stuff to market and restaurants. The video above I posted is surprisingly informative and his other stuff is pretty good too.

Here is a link to a guy that this concept down and he is doing it in an urban setting in Canada. He also is not using a plastic greenhouse. I personally don't see why you need to do anything in particular if you are going to be using lights for growth as long as it is vented properly and temperature controlled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uVL-PvzQxU

Here is an episode of Homesteading..... a show from New Zealand. They show basically how they go about using thistle to make a sheep's cheese.

It is from Season 2 Episode 8 and is at the 18:30 mark of the episode.

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Rob

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